Do you agree with Taylor being the best at re-inventing herself?

[lolitamuse 277]

I don't think her music has evolved very much at all, past the fact that she stopped pretending she was southern and ditched the fake accent. Other than that, her lyricism and song writing style are basically the same. She's never changed much about her looks or personality. So, no, I don't think she's ever actually reinvented herself. 

 

Honestly, I've always said that if Taylor wasn't a pretty blonde white woman, she wouldn't be famous. Take a woman of color with her exact same level of skills (or lack of, depending on your opinion), and she'd never be signed. Sure, she might be a song writer in the recording studio back rooms, but she would NEVER be one of the biggest artists of our time. It's not actually her skill that's making her famous, which is a bit frustrating to me.

[Maxine Puth 9,052]

1 hour ago, Zaskar said:

The issue is that Taylor's eras are more consistent and feel like era compared to Gaga's (post C2C) which hardly last for 2 singles. (Prior to C2C Gaga's redefined what it means to have an Era but after Joanne...ugh)

Honestly the only era post C2C we can “complain” about is Chromatica which was more her plans being ruined by a global pandemic and not feeling like accommodating them. Even then we got 3 music videos, not terrible for a 13 song album (especially since you’re comparing it to Lover, an 18 track album with 4 music videos)

Joanne got 4 music videos, which might I add all aesthetically make sense in the context of the era. She did the Super Bowl, a world tour, plenty of interviews, the dive bar tour, a documentary, etc. 

LFS got 5 studio recording music videos, 3 shows / specials, a Grammy performance, and she did Jazz and Piano for two legs during that era (Fall 2021, Spring 2022). 

And even though you’re not counting ASIB, that album has a whole 2 hour long movie to accompany it. 

[Ziggy 10,734]

1 hour ago, Zaskar said:

The issue is that Taylor's eras are more consistent and feel like era compared to Gaga's (post C2C) which hardly last for 2 singles. (Prior to C2C Gaga's redefined what it means to have an Era but after Joanne...ugh)

Take Reputation and Lover vs Joanne and Chromatica.

She released LWYMMD, video and all. Then Ready for it video...then another video with Ed Sheeran. Apart from lead the remaining weren't a hit at all....yet she still released Delicate video which became a cute Radio hit and the Rep era lasted for quite a while. Same with Lover with lead Me! being not a hit, then Calm Down video and afterwards Lover video and even The Man video elongating the era which wasn't much of a hit to last for a long time. All the singles were sent to Radio as well.

For Joanne we hardly got two proper single with PI and MR. Joanne was released at the end when the era was dead. And JW wasn't sent to radio or released as a proper single.

And Chromatica... the less said about it better. Apart from ROM mini era it was hardly an era....

Hence, post 2016- Taylor wins at Eras.

 

Ehhhhh but even then…

joanne was eons more iconic. That f*cking hat is still referenced by gays and allies the world over. Like she had a semi short era and *still* served reinvention in the pop sphere. It’s not about length of an era but effectiveness of the pivot. Joanne, for as much hate as it gets, aaaaabsolutely qualifies as an iconic and distinctive era. And even ASIB makes itself feel unique enough despite the two having similarities.

taylor being a successful artist doesn’t really have to do with eras being eras lol though tbh Gaga rocked Joanne out for a MINUTE. I’d say chromatica is probably her weakest aesthetic era for its inconsistency (but iconic) visual cues, but other than that Gaga’s been bumpin out eras with remarkable effectiveness for someone whose commercial success has gone down over time. Like lbr which era do people still casually reference more, Joanne or reputation? Gaga made that hat damn near as iconic as her pyro bra or disco stick. *that* is making a distinctive era.

and this ain’t a knock on TSwift at all! I don’t think she’s really ever tried tremendously hard to do what the other era girls do and that’s fine. Her success is a testament to that.

[Maxine Puth 9,052]

26 minutes ago, lolitamuse said:

Take a woman of color with her exact same level of skills (or lack of, depending on your opinion), and she'd never be signed.

I understand race is a factor with how we view and interpret artists and people in general (that’s just how society is) but this point is kinda void considering Taylor’s agreed upon protégé (aka the kinda quirky relatable singer songwriter type) is a said woman of color 

[Chlorine 47,975]

Country to pop was a reinvention and pop to folk was a reinvention. So 2 in your career does not a queen make. 

[Ziggy 10,734]

1 minute ago, Maxine Puth said:

I understand race is a factor with how we view and interpret artists and people in general (that’s just how society is) this point is kinda void considering Taylor’s agreed upon protégé (aka the kinda quirky relatable singer songwriter type) is a said woman of color 

Wait who lmao I’m out of the loop

[Dutch 89,328]

She’s far from the best at doing it, but probably the most successful.

[Maxine Puth 9,052]

2 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Wait who lmao I’m out of the loop

Miss three #1 singles Olivia Rodrigo 

[weed 70,941]

I don't think she's THE re-inventor, that's Gaga obv, but she does have clear different eras

[lolitamuse 277]

1 hour ago, Maxine Puth said:

I understand race is a factor with how we view and interpret artists and people in general (that’s just how society is) but this point is kinda void considering Taylor’s agreed upon protégé (aka the kinda quirky relatable singer songwriter type) is a said woman of color 

You're talking about a totally different era in terms of culture and music, completely apples to oranges - I am saying let's go back almost *20 years* to when Taylor first got into the industry and put a woman of color with her exact same ability to sing, dance (or neither of those, as I don't think she's particularly good at either), and song write (which I do think she has talent with) and see how far she gets. She would not TODAY be the biggest artist in the world. 

[Better Day 5,766]

5 hours ago, killme89 said:

This will probably get me dragged and labeled a hater but to me all her stuff sounds pretty much the same. The only standout album was 1989 and midnights sounds very similar to it. I don’t see the “queen of reinventing” herself at all. Especially now with all these rereleases , they could all be from the same album and I wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference. 

I know, I always confuse State Of Grace and August, and confuse Getaway Car and Maroon. Pretty much rehashing her albums now. 

[huttont 4,921]

14 hours ago, ELECTROHEART said:

I wouldn't call changing boyfriends "reinvention" 

This was funny 10 years ago. It’s just misogynistic to reduce Taylors career to the boyfriend joke. 

[Tyler1992 2,121]

I wouldn’t even say she re-invents herself with every era.

Taylor Swift, Fearless, Speak Now aren’t very discernible sonically, all songs can be interchanged in their albums. Same with Folklore and Evermore.

Shes shown very commendable growth and change over time as an artist, but it’s a big reach to consider her a master of re-invention. 

If you look at The Eras Tour poster and aren’t a big fan it’s not very easy to see re-invention. 

The Eras Tour works because is a legacy tour with her re-recordings, and she has 4 albums of material that haven’t been toured. 

[PartySick 144,913]

4 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Ehhhhh but even then…

joanne was eons more iconic. That f*cking hat is still referenced by gays and allies the world over. Like she had a semi short era and *still* served reinvention in the pop sphere. It’s not about length of an era but effectiveness of the pivot. Joanne, for as much hate as it gets, aaaaabsolutely qualifies as an iconic and distinctive era. And even ASIB makes itself feel unique enough despite the two having similarities.

taylor being a successful artist doesn’t really have to do with eras being eras lol though tbh Gaga rocked Joanne out for a MINUTE. I’d say chromatica is probably her weakest aesthetic era for its inconsistency (but iconic) visual cues, but other than that Gaga’s been bumpin out eras with remarkable effectiveness for someone whose commercial success has gone down over time. Like lbr which era do people still casually reference more, Joanne or reputation? Gaga made that hat damn near as iconic as her pyro bra or disco stick. *that* is making a distinctive era.

and this ain’t a knock on TSwift at all! I don’t think she’s really ever tried tremendously hard to do what the other era girls do and that’s fine. Her success is a testament to that.

This lends itself to my point in another thread that idek what Taylor's artistic identity is

Some call her "the MJ/Madonna/etc" of our generation but what iconic influence will she actually have? Name something she's extremely well known for that doesn't have a price tag on it and isn't some stupid joke about her ex boyfriends 

[Tyler1992 2,121]

13 minutes ago, PartySick said:

This lends itself to my point in another thread that idek what Taylor's artistic identity is

Some call her "the MJ/Madonna/etc" of our generation but what iconic influence will she actually have? Name something she's extremely well known for that doesn't have a price tag on it and isn't some stupid joke about her ex boyfriends 

Her songwriting skills and impressive concerts aren’t for nothing and should have credit over the men in her life (which isn’t even an abnormally large amount).