The Hate Against Lady Gaga and how the Left Keeps Shooting Itself in the Foot

[TheResidentZionist 128]

On 6/14/2023 at 11:20 AM, Versace said:

The left has gotten so intolerant as of late it’s scary, it’s so backwards. I feel like all the progress we’ve done is jaded by all the misplaced hate and criticism within the community. 

Dude you are right. Your opinion must fit into a predetermined set of beliefs or you're a bad person. In fact the left is become just as intolerant as the right. 

They have lost sight of the literal definition of "diversity and Inclusion" Diversity means a collection of different ideas and beliefs. Inclusion means to welcome others who are different. 

What's the point of diversity if we are all forced to think the same. Inclusivity is not rejecting anyone who thinks differently. That's exclusivity. 

Look at how I am villianized by this board for supporting Israel's right to self determine. They have a knee jerk reaction and assume I'm basically saying all Palestinians are wrong. But if anyone had atually asked me I would talk about a two state solution. The world is not black and white everyone. Its shades of grey

 

 

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On 6/14/2023 at 1:52 PM, BornAsUnic0rn said:

The reason it‘s being brought up is literally because she made 1 post in the last 9 months NOT selling something, which has been criticized and joked about before. But that tasteless ad really unveiled how many felt deep down. The passionate artist is dead and the only thing we‘ve been seeing for a while now was and is the Lady Gaga brand.

Half of June has past and the two posts she made were HausLabs and this. States literally passed huge amounts of anti Queer legislations. Drag Bans, Don‘t Say Gay Bill, Book Bans.. Silence!

When Disney starts to host the first official pride/queer event in retaliation, when country musicians literally put drag queens and queer artists in front of their country audience, and the person we thought was the biggest ally of her generation… says nothing.. It paints a picture. 

 

She risked going to jail in Russia for queer rights over there. (Let‘s be real, they would have never touched her at the time, no way.) Today, in her homeland… When rights are literally taken away.. Silence! It‘s easier attacking the Democratic President to abolish DADT when he already was under pressure from his own party than to go after the red states TRYING TO ERADICATE US. It simply paints a picture. 

 

For my part I realized how she finally turned into what she never wanted to be. A hollywood sellout. An industry puppet. But I can see how her behavior in the last months really hurt people, especially ones that were close to her before. 

Gagas bravery in Russia was amazing and commendable. But let's be honest, would Russia have really arrested the biggest pop star at the time? That would literally cause WW3. 😂

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On 6/14/2023 at 11:53 AM, Ziggy said:

Gay men stop policing trans people speaking out challenge.

frankly, it isn’t cis gay men’s business but there’s a very loud number of gay men making it their business. Just let trans people voice their displeasure from their experience if that’s their’s.

sure, we love Gaga, she’s been monumental in our lives and for queer rights *but* our community isn’t a monolith. It’s made up of unique experiences. We need to respect each others’ experiences and if some are taking umbrage with her not speaking up more fervently about something that directly affects them, better just to listen and let them be then try to fly in and tell them they’re wrong, the problem, etc.

I agree with everything you've said especially " We need to respect each others’ experiences". 

 

But this street goes both ways my friend. One could argue that some trans folks are exceptionally intolerant of Gay men. Opinions don't lose value cause they come from someone who's "cis" 

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6 minutes ago, TheResidentZionist said:

I agree with everything you've said especially " We need to respect each others’ experiences". 

 

But this street goes both ways my friend. One could argue that some trans folks are exceptionally intolerant of Gay men. Opinions don't lose value cause they come from someone who's "cis" 

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28 minutes ago, TheResidentZionist said:

But this street goes both ways my friend. One could argue that some trans folks are exceptionally intolerant of Gay men. Opinions don't lose value cause they come from someone who's "cis" 

Why the quotation marks around cis? Cis/Cisgender simply means that your gender and sex align, it’s literally the opposite of trans. Please don’t tell me you’re one of those people that think it’s a slur. Even if you ‘don’t like’ the word/don’t see the necessity of it, as a trans person, I’ve only ever seen it be used descriptively in trans-related contexts (articles, forums, comment sections) and it has never been used as a way to insult someone, it’s simply a term used to differentiate between transgender people and people who aren’t transgender when necessary.

Furthermore, I’m genuinely curious about what intolerance of (cis) gay men you’ve seen in the trans community. Hopefully my comment doesn’t come across as passive aggressive, I’m genuinely interested.

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Nobody can pass the far left's never-ending purity tests and virtue signaling. Make a mistake and you are deemed -phobic for something, fail to meet expectations and you are deemed someone who is just exploiting a minority community.

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22 minutes ago, TheResidentZionist said:

I agree with everything you've said especially " We need to respect each others’ experiences". 

 

But this street goes both ways my friend. One could argue that some trans folks are exceptionally intolerant of Gay men. Opinions don't lose value cause they come from someone who's "cis" 

Except my experiences as a cis female are very different than a trans female. So if they have a opinion on something I’m going to listen to it more so than my own non-lived experiences. It’s just like listening to a black person about racism, something as a white person I’ve never experienced. So yeah, opinions can lose value depending on who they are coming from. 

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On 6/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, 4th Street said:

or criticizing capitalist tendancies when you yourselves are living in that very system, benefiting from that system, taking part in it and enabling it, the hyprocrisy is too much for me sometimes. People can live in denial if they want but obnoxious gatekeeping needs to be called out.

Is it a critic on capitalist tendencies when folks seemed to specially dislike this specific deal with a super shady firm rather than her decision to be the face of several brands? Some disliked the many adds on her IG indeed but many were okay with it as long as it wasn't done for a company who, along the decades, did so many things opposed to what Gaga "historically" stood for.

Just to say I don't think it's just about hypocrisy and selective outrage, some people were really sincere and weren't listened when they weren't bashed/ associated with folks hating on Gaga with unfair stupid blames like "she's not a real activist for the LGBT community" etc.

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3 hours ago, TheResidentZionist said:

I agree with everything you've said especially " We need to respect each others’ experiences". 

 

But this street goes both ways my friend. One could argue that some trans folks are exceptionally intolerant of Gay men. Opinions don't lose value cause they come from someone who's "cis" 

Then you’re not listening to what I said lmao if the issue is one specifically about trans people why would they need to listen to cis people? Lmao stop hahaha and frankly any intolerance of gay men starts with their own intolerance of trans people. Cis folk have historically maligned the trans community so to say “well they don’t wanna hear me bc I’m cis!” is ignoring the dynamics of historical oppression just to get your foot in the door of some nonexistent oppression Olympics. It’s not the same. An oppressed person feeling intolerant of an oppressor is not the same as the oppressor feeling intolerance from oppressed people’s opinion of them. Gay men hold more power and influence than trans folks do. That power is not always used to benefit the wider community and TERF **** is wild atm among the LGBTQ community. Cis folks have a lot of real work to do before they get into trans folks’ business. So in an ideal world, you’re very right, but that idealism erases all the nuance of the past near century of history that informs said wariness to trust or include cis people in every conversation, especially those that they’re actually not a part of.