The Hate Against Lady Gaga and how the Left Keeps Shooting Itself in the Foot

[Killa 15,810]

33 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

How does any of that make her a conservative? lol

Gaga never claimed to be a socialist leftist, she has always been a basic Democrat and capitalist, with basic takes on LGBTQ+ rights.

i didnt call her right wing. said conservative, mostly in values, conduct etc. I said, people that follow her expect her to condemn the pharmaceutical industry and the american health system. with or without reason that might be there to support, in any sense. 

[Mother of Puppies 35,688]

I think people are also upset because of the times we live in. There is a worldwide economical crisis & people are struggling financially. Many people live paycheck to paycheck & simply could never afford pills that expensive. (Or maybe don’t even have health insurance) and then there comes a super rich popstar & does a brand deal with a multibillion company to become even richer. If the world was perfect & nobody would have to struggle financially, then this would not have such a bitter taste to it.

 

I think Gaga isn’t even aware of this because she’s so alienated. (She said so herself) And who can blame her for not feeling connected to “regular people”? She can’t connect anymore because she can’t even walk the street because of her fans. A lot of lil monsters are so privacy invading by asking her for a photo or a hug that it makes me cringe. She can’t even have a normal conversation with a stranger and on top of that people don’t know when to just leave her alone. 

 

 

So the timing of this ad amidst an economic worldwide crisis while she becomes even richer & people are surviving, all this during pride month without having mentioned it, ad after ad on her insta & people not being used to celebs advertising pharmaceuticals which should normally only be recommended by professionals- all this ads to people being very disappointed & I get it. 

 

BUT I don’t see what her previous work has to do with it & why some people act as if everything was a lie. Come on now that’s ridiculous. She may deal with things we know nothing about. She obviously doesn’t wanna share much private stuff on social media anymore so the ads is all that is left. It doesn’t look good or authentic though.

…and on top of that Instagram is basically dead anyway. Lol 

[Mother of Puppies 35,688]

1 hour ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Maybe I'm a delulu stan making excuses for her but seeing her many years of loud activism it makes me think she didn't know about these...

Now tbh she 100% should make sure who she talk to before to become their ambassador. It's not like the infos weren't a few clicks away.

I’m pretty sure she has signed this deal when they wanted to do the chromatica ball in 2020 - this stuff needs to be planned ahead

[Fuffy 1,020]

1 hour ago, Versace said:

The left has gotten so intolerant as of late it’s scary, it’s so backwards. I feel like all the progress we’ve done is jaded by all the misplaced hate and criticism within the community. 

Yeah I can’t align myself with the left for that reason anymore. I’ve lost a lot of friends for simply not conforming or sharing the exact same values they do. I actually feel nervous about expressing my views (which are mostly centre-left) because people will think badly of me.

I feel like the left are now more likely to pursue progress for the sake of progress without thinking about how they can realistically affect long term change. It’s small steps that drive the most positive change in the long term without causing populist movements and divides societies.

It’s also really hard to talk to some left wing individuals people because they get so aggressive and aim to bring shame or make someone undesirable in front of others. But no one with authority is willing to solve it because they fear they’ll be exiled too.

I think Gaga has moved away from activism and rightfully settling into enjoying her career. Very few people can change the world, yet fans weirdly expect a pop star like Gaga to do so in everything she does.

If anything, there’s something empowering about being around people who have different views of the world and life.

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1 hour ago, Rj Barker said:

 

 

 

 

 

The way so many haters were trying to discredit her LGBTQ+ activism for not posting about pride stuff… while her foundation was doing all of this… they really don’t care about pride month at all and just wanted to drag Gaga for the sake of dragging her lol 

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2 hours ago, Reality said:

This is one of the most level-headed takes I've seen. I also don't agree with her promoting Big Pharma stuff—I do frankly think it's beneath her, like you said—but I feel like the reaction she's getting is disproportional to what she actually did. Like, the fact that the conversation has now shifted to her entire career and her advocacy is crazy to me. Yeah, most of us can agree that the ad is not in good taste, but why are we bringing in her activism into this? 

The reason it‘s being brought up is literally because she made 1 post in the last 9 months NOT selling something, which has been criticized and joked about before. But that tasteless ad really unveiled how many felt deep down. The passionate artist is dead and the only thing we‘ve been seeing for a while now was and is the Lady Gaga brand.

Half of June has past and the two posts she made were HausLabs and this. States literally passed huge amounts of anti Queer legislations. Drag Bans, Don‘t Say Gay Bill, Book Bans.. Silence!

When Disney starts to host the first official pride/queer event in retaliation, when country musicians literally put drag queens and queer artists in front of their country audience, and the person we thought was the biggest ally of her generation… says nothing.. It paints a picture. 

 

She risked going to jail in Russia for queer rights over there. (Let‘s be real, they would have never touched her at the time, no way.) Today, in her homeland… When rights are literally taken away.. Silence! It‘s easier attacking the Democratic President to abolish DADT when he already was under pressure from his own party than to go after the red states TRYING TO ERADICATE US. It simply paints a picture. 

 

For my part I realized how she finally turned into what she never wanted to be. A hollywood sellout. An industry puppet. But I can see how her behavior in the last months really hurt people, especially ones that were close to her before. 

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I think my main take on this stuff in the US is that it isn’t a culture war but a class war. We are all so subsumed by consumerism and work (I say this from an iPhone on a pop stars fan website, I know) And while Gaga is a capitalist, I appreciated her queering of pop music and culture while it lasted. For me, seeing this big pharma stuff is more indicative of the symptoms of the systemic problem of late stage capitalism.
 

Doesn’t erase her queer advocacy, and I certainly long for that rad, “**** you pop music, this is ARTPOP” phase - which was the last time I felt she was a force for questioning our systems. (Not that it’s her job to do so!) 

Could say more but keeping it brief. 

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36 minutes ago, Fuffy said:

I’ve lost a lot of friends for simply not conforming or sharing the exact same values they do.

And this is what divides people in my eyes... because we all have unlearnt to have discussions, different opinions, agreeing to disagree and still talking to each other.

don't agree with something another person says or thinks - boom cancelled. And I'm not coming at you -  you may have your reasons why u have done so - since I don't know what the differences were and sometimes it is better this way to erase people from your life if those differences are major.

but I'm talking in general. I see this with a lot of young people that they cut ties with people or family just because they have different opinions about some things and don't agree with everything their family thinks. Even with minor stuff..

Or people being cancelled online just because they may have talked with a person whose cousin is friends with someone who's questionable.

 

I don't agree with everything my family or some friends think - politically or other things in life - I would have to cut ties with basically everyone in my surroundings based on that because we all have different takes on things. We may agree on this, but hardly disagree on another topic. That's life.

[JoanneMonster 8,636]

You all are connecting things that have nothing to do with each other.

- Has Gaga said anything about pride during this pride month to her fans (90% people from the lgbtq+ community)? NO

- Does that invalidate all she has done before? ALSO NO

- Is it super weird that shes posting adds during pride month without hesitation? YES

- Is she promiting a drug that is increadibly expensive (that would cost 1€ to nothing in my country) making people want to buy something that plays with their health and also helps big corporations? YES

- Did she use chromatica ball footage to promote pills knowing that her fans have been begging for the chromatica ball special for almost a year? YES

- Are fans allowed to be mad after following her for her ART and only getting publicity from her during months and months? YES

- Do fans need to support everything she says or does and defend her at all costs, even when her actions do not align with their values? NO

- Are fans allowed to insult her? OF COURSE NOT

- Is gaga becoming everything she said she didnt stand for years ago? YES

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29 minutes ago, Mother of Puppies said:

And this is what divides people in my eyes... because we all have unlearnt to have discussions, different opinions, agreeing to disagree and still talking to each other.

don't agree with something another person says or thinks - boom cancelled. And I'm not coming at you -  you may have your reasons why u have done so - since I don't know what the differences were and sometimes it is better this way to erase people from your life if those differences are major.

but I'm talking in general. I see this with a lot of young people that they cut ties with people or family just because they have different opinions about some things and don't agree with everything their family thinks. Even with minor stuff..

Or people being cancelled online just because they may have talked with a person whose cousin is friends with someone who's questionable.

 

I don't agree with everything my family or some friends think - politically or other things in life - I would have to cut ties with basically everyone in my surroundings based on that because we all have different takes on things. We may agree on this, but hardly disagree on another topic. That's life.

To be fair, I feel like the political climate the past 10 years has steered the left into the position it's in now regarding extreme views. Sensationalism in news saying "if you're not x, you're a horrible person and trying to do y to minority z" and the GOP's all or nothing takes got us here. The left compromising is hard because the right rarely does compromise, and largely focuses on extreme policies. And it works for them, so why not the left too? Progressive politics is really just reactive rather than proactive and it's just been a defense to the GOPs agenda. In a way, I view radical leftism as a good thing because it means that there is a fight for people's rights and pay equality. But in the long term I feel everything will become all or nothing with deep divisions within communities. Both sides would have to be willing to compromise, and have to understand that this compromise could benefit everyone without being scared of losing out. 

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I wonder why other fandoms are so cohesive in the way they defend their problematic faves, because these artists do nothing for them, not a discourse, or publication, no activism, not organizations to help vulnerable communities, etc., nothing, yet they release ads or other business and people support them with their eyes close. They just need to release constant music, not even originals, just reworks or mixes and that's it.

 

I hope LG close all her socials and never interact with fans ever again

[27monster27 11,514]

3 hours ago, Sunny said:

That's because Elon Musk can say the most foul things about the right and the left and the right will still idolize him. It's much better to look at things objectively, as in not everything that Gaga or AOC does is helpful or right. Gaga has decided to be dead silent this year about LGBTQ rights, especially trans rights. That's her choice, it doesn't invalidate her previous activism.

She can choose her battles, she can choose to be silent. That doesn't excuse her of criticism. And at the end of the day, people can choose who they want to support, and it's celebrities who are publicly and vocally supportive. 

I am positive that she donates to lots of orgs, and even has one herself. But if you have that much of impact in the whole world, especially America, staying silent in times like these is awful. Her team can even make the post if she doesn't have the time.  I will agree though that at times people attack the wrong people and for the wrong reasons.

 

And the fourth paragraph is bullshit. Some people buy SHEIN because they can't afford anything better. It's not comparable to a celebrity getting $1m for promoting something or sticking their name to it. There is no ethical consumption, but there are varying degrees to it.

My main issue with criticism these days is that is always has to be "career ending". The Justin Tranter stuff is an example. Why when someone does something someone doesn't like it has to be viewed through a lense of "their career should end!"

Regarding the Shein comment. I do recognize that some people buy fast fashion because it's more affordable, so I do apologize if my take on that came off as ignorant. However, I still think that there are better alternatives to spending than Shein, like thrift stores. My main concern just arrises from the fact that Shein has made up a large portion of pollution, larger than many fast fashion brands.

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5 minutes ago, misha4ever said:

I hope LG close all her socials and never interact with fans ever again

This is what I was thinking. We aren't entitled to anything at all. We also don't know what's going on in her personal life right now. She's sacrifice so much of it in the past for people who are now being so ungrateful to her. I hope she is surrounded by amazing people who love her and show her how much they appreciate her. 💖

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4 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

My main issue with criticism these days is that is always has to be "career ending". The Justin Tranter stuff is an example. Why when someone does something someone doesn't like it has to be viewed through a lense of "their career should end!"

Regarding the Shein comment. I do recognize that some people buy fast fashion because it's more affordable, so I do apologize if my take on that came off as ignorant. However, I still think that there are better alternatives to spending than Shein, like thrift stores. My main concern just arrises from the fact that Shein has made up a large portion of pollution, larger than many fast fashion brands.

Oh I agree with you on the first point. Not everything is career ending, this Gaga thing certainly isn't. There are people literally doing crimes and they still have careers, this is just a Gaga conversation to be had.

And yeah I agree with that, though it really depends on the part of the world. In some places, there aren't thrift stores or there aren't as cheap. My main issue with Shein apart from the ethics is the crazy influencers buying a ton of clothes only to throw it later. I'm not gonna drag a random woman buying a shirt she's gonna use for a year or two. But this is a completely different topic, we shouldn't derail the thread.