What’s with all the Bloodpop hate?

[Ladle Ghoulash 16,552]

2 minutes ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

Skrillex ≠ BN

Plus...the lyrics 

The point I'm making is: the production credits aren't always a good indicator of what the song is going to sound like. 

[abrahamidk 90]

2 more years or a new album and everybody is going to say how underrated and ahead of its time he was, it always happens. 

[Dayman 5,989]

There’s a lot of reasons.

Many don’t like that he likes to troll fans and then also gets frustrated with fans and starts blocking them when they take the bait. 
 

Some don’t like his production work and feel it is overall weak and uninspired. Very by the book radio friendly pop.

There’s things like how in the pre Chromatica era we found out Bloodpop was tweeting from Gagas account well after the fact - I believe it was actually Hana that revealed that during a livestream. So like, the period of the “what’s Fortnite” “I don’t remember ARTPOP” and all those weird meme tweets are potentially just him tweeting from Gagas account to **** with everyone. Kinda weird but it’s whatever if Gaga allowed it.

 

It is a bit odd how Gaga had a huge number of collaborators on Chromatica production wise but in the end it pretty much ended up just being mostly Bloodpop and Burns [except Replay which is just Burns almost didn’t make the album]. If you look at production credits on Gagas past albums they were much more collaborative and varied. Which before someone says “he was the executive producer that’s what he does” that’s not the role of executive producer - that title is one that entails more of a logistics and organizational role than the actual musical production of an individual track. Case and point DJWS is executive producer on ARTPOP but not credit on every song’s production credit. This coupled with Dawn of Chromatica and it’s oddly public creation and organization from Bloodpop really painted the album and era in a light that made it seem more like it was Bloodpops album and remix album than even Gagas. 

I personally mainly have red flags about him based off the stories Gaga told about him telling her that the music she was working on wasn’t good and sound like her and it made her cry and change direction. Or that she wrote more of Chromatica as sad ballads and was pushed to make them dance songs. These are not inherently bad at surface level, but with everything else even in minor context it gives me an icky feeling. I don’t feel like he’s some horrid monster or anything. But the vibe I get is one that perhaps he’s a bit too self serving and maybe a touch narcissistic- which to be fair if you work in the music industry you have to be in some way if you’re going to get anywhere.

[LG666 1,775]

His productions follow the trends rather than setting them. 

Which, no hate to him at all, but that's the tea. His work isn't necessarily innovative or alternative to the mass-produced pop stuff out there. It's fine to be pop-influenced, but his work doesn't really have anything interesting to it for someone like Gaga who is known for pushing boundaries.

 

[Guest]

My ears must be broken. I think his work with Gaga is excellent.

[Starmie25 13,937]

If you don't like his contributions to Chromatica then, yeah fair enough... but no need to be pricks by bullying Michael online calling him names "bloodclot" and mocking his weight gain and so on. He's a human with feelings too.

You'd think being a Gaga fan you'd know better, sadly no. 😕 

 

[King of the Fall 3,811]

I dont have issues with Bloodpop its just that many fans feel like its time for her to move on to someone who can provide more dynamic production. Bloodpop tends to sound a bit predictable and generic. 1,000 Doves was ruined by him on Chromatica, it is 500 times better as a piano piece, Gaga should have followed her insticts.

[skedaddleBItCh 2,785]

The "watered down production" arguments is tiring because production on Chromatica is excellent. People literally will throw anything at Chromatica at this point. They're gonna say it's basic, tired, watered down, horrible lyrics, very low number of collaborators, emotionless, has no Gaga flair, blah blah blah it's tiring because I don't ****ing see nor hear those shitty things they have said. The production is excellent, it's structured and actually has direction, which is the reason why it's so darn cohesive. There's a reason why it's her most acclaimed album.

2 hours ago, Dayman said:

There’s a lot of reasons.

Many don’t like that he likes to troll fans and then also gets frustrated with fans and starts blocking them when they take the bait. 
 

Some don’t like his production work and feel it is overall weak and uninspired. Very by the book radio friendly pop.

There’s things like how in the pre Chromatica era we found out Bloodpop was tweeting from Gagas account well after the fact - I believe it was actually Hana that revealed that during a livestream. So like, the period of the “what’s Fortnite” “I don’t remember ARTPOP” and all those weird meme tweets are potentially just him tweeting from Gagas account to **** with everyone. Kinda weird but it’s whatever if Gaga allowed it.

 

It is a bit odd how Gaga had a huge number of collaborators on Chromatica production wise but in the end it pretty much ended up just being mostly Bloodpop and Burns [except Replay which is just Burns almost didn’t make the album]. If you look at production credits on Gagas past albums they were much more collaborative and varied. Which before someone says “he was the executive producer that’s what he does” that’s not the role of executive producer - that title is one that entails more of a logistics and organizational role than the actual musical production of an individual track. Case and point DJWS is executive producer on ARTPOP but not credit on every song’s production credit. This coupled with Dawn of Chromatica and it’s oddly public creation and organization from Bloodpop really painted the album and era in a light that made it seem more like it was Bloodpops album and remix album than even Gagas. 

I personally mainly have red flags about him based off the stories Gaga told about him telling her that the music she was working on wasn’t good and sound like her and it made her cry and change direction. Or that she wrote more of Chromatica as sad ballads and was pushed to make them dance songs. These are not inherently bad at surface level, but with everything else even in minor context it gives me an icky feeling. I don’t feel like he’s some horrid monster or anything. But the vibe I get is one that perhaps he’s a bit too self serving and maybe a touch narcissistic- which to be fair if you work in the music industry you have to be in some way if you’re going to get anywhere.

 

ARTPOP that, ARTPOP this, just enough god not everything is ****ing ARTPOP. Nobody gives a damn.

Executive producer can be in only some tracks, they could also be in most tracks. This isn't something unique to BloodPop, get over it. 

The collaboration part, H u h? You literally had LMs drag the ****ing **** out of Chromatica due to the huge number of collaborators. This is nonsensical. Yeah BP and Burns have the majority of the credits, but you also had a varied number of great producers on most songs so I don't get it.

And how many timessssss do we need to tell you all. Gaga tried to only make ONE song a ballad, which is 1000 Doves. You literally had that in the deluxe version which actually makes sense?? Because imagine putting the piano version on the standard version which is gonna ruin the run of the album.

If he is indeed narcissistic, then why did he then go on and suggested a remix album where you know, various producers will have to remix and change majority of their productions. 

 

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10 minutes ago, 4th Street said:

I dont have issues with Bloodpop its just that many fans feel like its time for her to move on to someone who can provide more dynamic production. Bloodpop tends to sound a bit predictable and generic. 1,000 Doves was ruined by him on Chromatica, it is 500 times better as a piano piece, Gaga should have followed her insticts.

"I dont have issues with Bloodpop"

Proceeds to imply the issue

make up your mind you guys can't even compose a coherent and sound reason to drag Bloodpop

And 1000 Doves is literally one of her most beautiful instrumentals

There's no "following the instinct" here (what)

[skedaddleBItCh 2,785]

That's because gheys don't like the genre or the sound, even though the production is objectively one of her best. They just need to get over it.

[RainingOnMe 7,252]

4 hours ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

His production is basic. And Gaga's music pre-Joanne felt more complex.

This. Plus his gross ego. He's easily insulted by anyone that he deems to be competition. 

[King of the Fall 3,811]

11 minutes ago, skedaddleBItCh said:

"I dont have issues with Bloodpop"

Proceeds to imply the issue

make up your mind you guys can't even compose a coherent and sound reason to drag Bloodpop

And 1000 Doves is literally one of her most beautiful instrumentals

There's no "following the instinct" here (what)

I meant that I dont think he is a terrible producer or hate him like some fans, just thats its time for Gaga to work with someone new, I guess I worded it poorly. 1,000 Doves is so much better as a stripped down piano ballad, his production detraced from a heartfelt and emotional track that would be much better served without it.

[Dayman 5,989]

5 minutes ago, skedaddleBItCh said:

The "watered down production" arguments is tiring because production on Chromatica is excellent. People literally will throw anything at Chromatica at this point. They're gonna say it's basic, tired, watered down, horrible lyrics, very low number of collaborators, emotionless, has no Gaga flair, blah blah blah it's tiring because I don't ****ing see nor hear those shitty things they have said. The production is excellent, it's structured and actually has direction, which is the reason why it's so darn cohesive. There's a reason why it's her most acclaimed album.

 

ARTPOP that, ARTPOP this, just enough god not everything is ****ing ARTPOP. Nobody gives a damn.

Executive producer can be in only some tracks, they could also be in most tracks. This isn't something unique to BloodPop, get over it. 

The collaboration part, H u h? You literally had LMs drag the ****ing **** out of Chromatica due to the huge number of collaborators. This is nonsensical. Yeah BP and Burns have the majority of the credits, but you also had a varied number of great producers on most songs so I don't get it.

And how many timessssss do we need to tell you all. Gaga tried to only make ONE song a ballad, which is 1000 Doves. You literally had that in the deluxe version which actually makes sense?? Because imagine putting the piano version on the standard version which is gonna ruin the run of the album.

If he is indeed narcissistic, then why did he then go on and suggested a remix album where you know, various producers will have to remix and change majority of their productions. 

 

Whoah, chill out. Very aggresive and rude response for no reason.

I just used ARTPOP as an example because it was the last dance pop album prior to Chromatica AND it has an executive producer that also did musical production on the album as well. I can give the example of The Fame having Vincent Herbert and him having no hand in the individual production of any song if that helps. The thread is literally asking why some people don't like Bloodpop, these are the ones that come up the most - the question isn't how valid are these claims because quite frankly I do disagree with a portion of them.

Also totally unrelated - but why on Earth would the piano version of Doves "ruin" the run of the album? Every single Gaga album prior has a ballad placed in the run and it has NEVER "ruined" the flow and the piano version of Doves would absolutely still fit in that same spot.

And the point of narcissism with a remix album is that he is the one that championed it and is the one that organized it and is the one that selected all his friends for it. I LOVE that remix album and will defend it with my life but it 100% was a moment that made it feel that Chromatica and DoC were more so Bloods projects than Gagas. AND once again like I said the point of narcissim is not an inherently negative one. If you are going to be in the music industry you NEED to have a desire to want people to consume YOUR work and a desire to be a center of attention. If you aren't absorbed into yourself at times than someone else can and WILL swoop in and take a spot that could have been yours. It's cutthroat and playing the game so you can do what you do best is NOT a bad thing.

Like I said for ME the thing that rubbed me wrong was him saying her music she was working on prior to him coming in didn't sound like her and that it was bad. I have friends who work as recording artists full time and if I know how much it would break them to be told that and they in the same scenario would also scrap what they are working on to do something new - no matter how good it is. You work your ass off and a friend tells you it's not good and it's not you? Everyone has an opinion on what someones "sound" is what someones "voice" is what they like in a genre and to step in and tell an artist that I just don't find appropriate - I believe in supporting an artists vision until they can see it through. Everything else about Blood however is kinda just whatever and who cares nonsense.

[Anderson123 36,031]

Fans complaining for no reason as always. So embarrassing that we even have to talk about this here. Messy fans being messy. Not only has this happened to Bloodpop but also DJWS and RedOne at some point. 

[Edonis 28,790]

The hate bloodpop gets is genuinely tiring and quite inconsistent! People constantly contradict themselves when citing why they dislike his production work, but then mention demos that he had a personal hand in with another collaborator. They talk about the work with Boys Noize (which I would love to still get the two to collab some more in the future) or the demo with SOPHIE, but forget it was bloodpop that introduced Gaga to those people through his connections. 
 

The 1000 Doves slander is probably the most tired. That instrumental is one of the strongest on the album and sounds something straight out of Tetsuya Komuro’s Velfarre or the Sanctuary or Empire nightclubs in the UK. It is the pure, melodic, 90s dance pop that influenced the record at its finest. The piano version is beautiful, but the album version is stunning in its own way. 
 

Anyway, I still stand by my statement that Chromatica is her smoothest record with some of the tightest production tied to her discography. Thankfully critics and (most fans!) agree.