Gaga Fans Need To Stop Pressuring Gaga to Release ARTPOP Act 2 (Or a Re-release)

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I'll stop asking for it when DJWS stops teasing it 

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1 hour ago, Bowman said:

This album had a bad patch through it, we all know this. But it still means something to her even if it wasn't everyones cup of tea. I think the fans just want to hear more from ARTPOP and more of it's potential. I don't see anyone really pressuring her but more appreciating ARTPOP and Gaga's art behind it. 

 

Edit: also it's not new that a lot of us fans including me are so thirsty for new music / shoots / video's / tiktoks / tweets / haus labs  / / announcements etc. from her 

 

when I read those tweets it makes me realize I miss her... I hope soon we'll get some personal instagrams, tweets or interviews again

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9 minutes ago, Debithius said:

She has admitted to it all her career though? It's not some secret. 

Yes....in a very disguised way. She has talked about her use of drugs and that it was bad for her. But I don't think she has ever outright labeled herself as an alcoholic/addict. I think because she sees how the media has treated people (specifically women) like Lindsay Lohan and Demi Lovato and the puiblic thinks you just "get sober". But often times it takes years...even decades, to fully realize your sobriety. Most addicts in recovery relapse at least 7 times before they actually stay sober for the rest of their lives according to research. Gaga has admitted to it but never allowed the label because she probably knew how much they would tear her apart. I mean...think about it....she still obviously drinks at her jazz shows. 

It might look glamorous but if she had formerly come out and said she was an addict alot of people would probably say she was a flight risk and back out on her. 

I actually feel like this is what was going to happen after ARTPOP...she was going to come out of the closet as an addict... and her label was like, "NO....stop...we don't want you to ruin her career!" Maybe that is why Troy Carter and a few others backed out on her? They saw how bad it got when she broke her hip and had an unlimited access to drugs. Maybe it really did get bad. And I think for some of the fans, they do not understand that as an addict she can look playfully back at ARTPOP but actually asking her to perform it is....kind of really scary and bad. Like...in AA they tell you to avoid "people, places, and things" that can trigger you to relapse. The album she made while she was ****ed up and at her worst would definitely be a trigger.

She actually said it out loud, in a way one time. She was performing Dope Live at like the iTunes festival and she was BAWLING at the piano like she wanted to say something and you could hear her stop and mumble under her breath "I don't need to take drugs to be creative". This was around that time she was putting that weird fake accent on that sounded kind of English-German one day and then the next she was slouched over looking tired af, and then the next day she was super energized and ready to go.

I think she actually feels like if she talks about it, similarly to revealing her rapist, there are still people who would back out on her. And I think she has tried to be as honest with the public as she can while also protecting herself. 

In a way, she still comes out of that era a little bit that Britney did where labels are very ****ing manipulative and she probably still feels anxious about that. It's probably why she said she didn't want to be a pop star anymore in 2018.

She probably has been going to NA/AA meetings for a while too. Literally one of her biggest lyrics is "cuz God makes no mistakes" in Born This Way. I used to think that was so original of her. But that actually is a direct quote from the Big Book in the AA program and is said in typically every AA meeting. You could imagine my shock when I heard everyone repeating that when I first went to AA in 2017. I was like, "why are they constantly quoting Lady Gaga?" 

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2 minutes ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

Yes....in a very disguised way. 

"I have problems with alcohol and drugs" is not very disguised or disguised at all, especially when you combine that with her lyrics. I am not sure how much clearer you want her to be about it. She has literally told us she used to be a drug addict at 19 and that she still struggles to this day.

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31 minutes ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

nah but for real this album iss........MIDDDDDD. Why do we want to revisit it so bad??? lol

Just because the era underperformed doesn't mean the album is mid. It's got some absolute bangers on there coated in a lot of wild and colourful electronic production.

 

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1 minute ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

She actually said it out loud, in a way one time. She was performing Dope Live at like the iTunes festival and she was BAWLING at the piano like she wanted to say something and you could hear her stop and mumble under her breath "I don't need to take drugs to be creative". 

It was the artrave album launch!

Also you just reminded me that Gaga told Zane that Rain On Me is also about her drinking. (video is timestamped)

 

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6 minutes ago, Debithius said:

"I have problems with alcohol and drugs" is not very disguised or disguised at all, especially when you combine that with her lyrics. I am not sure how much clearer you want her to be about it. She has literally told us she used to be a drug addict at 19 and that she still struggles to this day.

Hmmm....you cannot "used to be" an addict. And also saying "I have problems with alcohol and drugs" is not admitting you are an addict. Plenty of people have problems with substances....they are not necessarily experiencing the disease of addiction. It might indicate you are more likely to (for example, research is finding that addiction is something that comes from a gene expression. You don't necessarily have to become an addict but some people, when they flip that switch, there is no going back. They are turned on to it.) 

 

And that's why I don't think you really understand what that means. 

 

Once an addict, always an addict. It's not something you "used to do" back in the day. It is a chronic illness. It is like cancer. It comes back over and over and over and over again in new way after new way after new way and you must constantly be keeping it in check. 

That is what I mean...she hasn't really come out and said "I am an alcoholic" or "I am a drug addict". And the first step in AA is actually admitting that. You can't stay sober if you don't address yourself as an addict. I don't think she has full on done that. She has kind of loosely mentioned poor choices about things that are habit forming. But she has never outright admitted to being an alcoholic, at least that I am aware of.

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5 minutes ago, Stephen said:

It was the artrave album launch!

Also you just reminded me that Gaga told Zane that Rain On Me is also about her drinking. (video is timestamped)

 

Yes! So see...she kind of has hinted it. But I think she still is afraid to outright say it. 

So unfortunately, you can't really be happy in sobriety until you are willing to tell on yourself and call yourself what you are. And I think she is still young and fighting that. I think some people really have a hard time with it. 

I also think that is why it's really bad that people give Demi Lovato ****. That girl is ****ing brave. Like....to publicly relapse and still pull through and put out music after? To deal with figuring out your identity and sexuality and fluidity and have the court of public opinion dissect your soul? Honestly....nobody is perfect in their journey and I've even seen some people be total shitheads to her on THIS SITE. Sad. 

But yeah...I really think this is a big reason why Gaga's music is still the way it is...it's not about having fun and partying anymore (even Chromatica was a dance album about pain) because Gaga kind of is still struggling with admitting her problems.

It would be true catharsis for her if she just said **** you to her label. But she can take her time. Her sobriety will come when she is ready for it.

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To be honest!

I'm here for it happening because new Gaga music is always a good thing for me but if Gaga really wanted to release it, she would've done that many years ago already, also there is like 0.001% chance of it ever happening

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8 minutes ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

Yes! So see...she kind of has hinted it. But I think she still is afraid to outright say it. 

So unfortunately, you can't really be happy in sobriety until you are willing to tell on yourself and call yourself what you are. And I think she is still young and fighting that. I think some people really have a hard time with it. 

True but I think there's also the possibility she is willing to say that but only in private with people she trusts and doesn't want that to be her narrative for the public. We can't really know for sure.

This also reminds me of the time she told Howard Stern how she was hesitant to talk about her sexual assault because she didn't want people to boil down all her creativity to just an expression of anger over her assault. I think she's very careful with keeping certain things private because she knows how the public will spin a narrative.

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This fanbase was adamant that the Chromatica ball was never going to happen after Covid and yeah, look how that turned out... so never say never even when it comes to ARTPOP.

 

 

 

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Just now, Stephen said:

True but I think there's also the possibility she is willing to say that but only in private with people she trusts and doesn't want that to be her narrative for the public. We can't really know for sure.

This also reminds me of the time she told Howard Stern how she was hesitant to talk about her sexual assault because she didn't want people to boil down all her creativity to just an expression of anger over her assault. I think she's very careful with keeping certain things private because she knows how the public will spin a narrative.

I totally 100% get that. But principally speaking (and this is a big thing that is known to millions in AA and NA), Gaga technically has to be willing to publicly and fearlessly admit she has a problem to any and everyone. If you are disguising it for personal gain and to protect your emotions, you cannot actually complete the 4th step which is a "fearless moral inventory of your entire self" and admit your wrongdoings in it.

I know to someone who is not in it that it sounds like an invasion of privacy or something...but for Gaga to have a truly honest catharsis and awareness which will allow her to actually recover and heal...she technically has to be willing to admit to everyone (not just a safe, controlled group of people she thinks she can trust) to EVERYONE that she is what she is. If she doesn't, the toxic problems that are caused by the disease of addiction (because the disease causes character defects) will continue to sneak back into her life over and over again no matter how much she tries to control or micromanage it. Because the only way to defeat the disease of addiction is admitting that you can't defeat the disease of addiction and trusting a higher power. 

Anyone in recovery, atheist, agnostic, Christian, Muslim, Wiccan, scientist, ANYONE will tell you this is the only successful way to stay sober. It cannot be done on one's own volition.

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Mm yeah let it die 

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11 minutes ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

Yes! So see...she kind of has hinted it. But I think she still is afraid to outright say it. 

So unfortunately, you can't really be happy in sobriety until you are willing to tell on yourself and call yourself what you are. And I think she is still young and fighting that. I think some people really have a hard time with it. 

I also think that is why it's really bad that people give Demi Lovato ****. That girl is ****ing brave. Like....to publicly relapse and still pull through and put out music after? To deal with figuring out your identity and sexuality and fluidity and have the court of public opinion dissect your soul? Honestly....nobody is perfect in their journey and I've even seen some people be total shitheads to her on THIS SITE. Sad. 

But yeah...I really think this is a big reason why Gaga's music is still the way it is...it's not about having fun and partying anymore (even Chromatica was a dance album about pain) because Gaga kind of is still struggling with admitting her problems.

It would be true catharsis for her if she just said **** you to her label. But she can take her time. Her sobriety will come when she is ready for it.

Ummmm I don't think we really need to hypothesize how severe or what specific "addiction" Gaga struggles with, especially when she's never publicly defined them. That's completely her business, and up to her what she chooses to share. 

You can't comment on her "happiness" when you have no idea what her life is like. You said yourself it can take people decades to understand their own problems - so why are you stiff-arming her into coming out and specifically define her struggles as addition?

Your'e doing exactly what you criticize others of doing on here. You don't know her relationship with drugs, alcohol, or how they pertain to ARTPOP, and you can't dictate her choices based on such. At the end of the day, she's a human being who knows herself much more than you do, and it's unfair to judge her level of openness based on YOUR experience. 

 

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1 minute ago, JohnnyVersace said:

Ummmm I don't think we really need to hypothesize how severe or what specific "addiction" Gaga struggles with, especially when she's never publicly defined them. That's completely her business, and up to her what she chooses to share. 

You can't comment on her "happiness" when you have no idea what her life is like. You said yourself it can take people decades to understand their own problems - so why are you stiff-arming her into coming out and specifically define her struggles as addition?

Your'e doing exactly what you criticize others of doing on here. You don't know her relationship with drugs, alcohol, or how they pertain to ARTPOP, and you can't dictate her choices based on such. At the end of the day, she's a human being who knows herself much more than you do, and it's unfair to judge her level of openness based on YOUR experience. 

 

No I'm not. Did you read my posts? I literally said:

18 minutes ago, YouCanSitWithUs said:

 

It would be true catharsis for her if she just said **** you to her label. But she can take her time. Her sobriety will come when she is ready for it.