Quark 7,098 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Because Sharon contacted Vincent Herbert in private. The whole issue was supposed to be handled behind the scenes. Instead, Gaga decided to get offended by Sharon's email to Vincent and publicize the whole argument. Let's be real here for a second. Kelly Osbourne is a comedian. She makes a living off of criticizing other people and making jokes at other people's expense. That's her right. Freedom of speech and all that. Next you're gonna tell me Kathy Griffin or Joan Rivers deserve death threats too. Gaga's effort and concern - although sweet - was totally out of place and to be perfectly honest, the goals she's setting for herself to create a peaceful and accepting world filled with love and sunshine and rainbows are quite unrealistic. It's not her job to change the world. Her job is to influence the people who look up to her in a positive way. That's why she should've directed her concern at the Twitter Monsters wishing death upon other celebrities,, instead of attacking the celebrities themselves. Start small, Gaga. You can't change the world in a day, but you can at least try to change your fans. Tweeting about not condoning the death threats might not have solved the whole thing, but it sure would have showed her compassion towards Kelly and the situation she's in. tl;dr Gaga handled this the wrong way and Sharon was right for dragging her. In no way did Gaga handle this the wrong way. Gaga realized that the root cause of Kelly's bullying comes from the fact that she also bullys people on TV as a profession. Also, do you have to make fun of people's struggles such as being fat in order to make people laugh. If this is the case than Kelly is not a good comedian. Finally, Sharon did not have the right to drag her as you said (that was just a perfonal attack on Gaga), because Gaga made this public in order to create awarness of bullying not only Kelly and her fans, but also to create awarness to any celebrity or media overall of the harm they are doing to society. Edited January 11, 2013 by EnigmaSLLC7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROSEIDON 1,214 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Sharon needs to mind her own business. Her daughters a grown adult. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Eh, I guess you're right, but on the other hand I think Sharon's just acting on her motherly instincts. She just wants to protect her daughter, which is reasonable considering the circumstances. And Gaga probably followed similar instincts protecting her fans. All the Gaga insults in the world didn't seem to piss her off as much as having someone insult her fans. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Eh, I guess you're right, but on the other hand I think Sharon's just acting on her motherly instincts. She just wants to protect her daughter, which is reasonable considering the circumstances. In the end it all comes down to Gaga's open letter. No open letter, no dragging by Sharon. I can totally see her just trying to defend her daughter, though I feel like a lot of her letter was just dragging on things apart from the situation itself, though relevant to Gaga. imo neither are wrong, just things went really haywire: -Kelly was right to be angry against the fans who were being stupid, though she generalized a whole fanbase (thus making fanbase angry [not too much her fault]) -Gaga was right to defend herself, though the question of it being public is varying (adding fuel to the fire, but otherwise pretty mild) -Sharon was right to defend her own child, but her argument was kinda petty (whole situation has been Bolshevized) 3 points in and ready for more Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morina 0 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Because Sharon contacted Vincent Herbert in private. The whole issue was supposed to be handled behind the scenes. Instead, Gaga decided to get offended by Sharon's email to Vincent and publicize the whole argument. Let's be real here for a second. Kelly Osbourne is a comedian. She makes a living off of criticizing other people and making jokes at other people's expense. That's her right. Freedom of speech and all that. Next you're gonna tell me Kathy Griffin or Joan Rivers deserve death threats too. Gaga's effort and concern - although sweet - was totally out of place and to be perfectly honest, the goals she's setting for herself to create a peaceful and accepting world filled with love and sunshine and rainbows are quite unrealistic. It's not her job to change the world. Her job is to influence the people who look up to her in a positive way. That's why she should've directed her concern at the Twitter Monsters wishing death upon other celebrities,, instead of attacking the celebrities themselves. Start small, Gaga. You can't change the world in a day, but you can at least try to change your fans. Tweeting about not condoning the death threats might not have solved the whole thing, but it sure would have showed her compassion towards Kelly and the situation she's in. tl;dr Gaga handled this the wrong way and Sharon was right for dragging her. Sharon contacted Vince in private, but again Kelly was the one who went public in the interview. Being a "comedian" doesnt give a person the right to say anything they want. And if they feel like it does then they should be prepared to be criticized for jokes they make. She didnt attack Kelly. A example of attacking is what Sharon just did. Edited January 11, 2013 by Morina Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,836 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Sharon just proved herself to be the world's biggest hypocrite with that response. For years, she has stayed in the press purely by saying rude, hateful comments about people and even physical attacks. 1. She bullied Dannii Minogue when she was on The X Factor UK panel and even said in interviews that she couldn't stand her and that she'd only been hired for her looks and because Simon wanted to sleep with her (well, years later, it did emerge that the two had an affair but it was wrong for Sharon to speculate on their private lives all the same). Dannii went on to describe a backstage incident in her autobiography when Sharon was right up in her face and was shouting at her for no reason. 2. When a girl on the reality show, Charm School (Sharon needed to be a contestant on that show, not a judge) said on a joint interview: "At least I don't manage a braindead rockstar," Sharon chucked her glass of water all over her and pulled at her hair so badly that some of it was pulled out and she got sued by the girl for battery. 3. She said in a radio interview that Susan Boyle had "a face like a hairy a***hole." 4. On a talk show where she's a panelist. the topic of a woman cutting off her husbands genitals and putting them in the garbage disposal was discussed. Sharon said that she thought it was "fabulous" and was laughing at the poor man's predicrement. The comments gained such a negative response from viewers that Sharon was forced to give an apology on the next show, but she was smiling and trying not to laugh as she said it. In regards to her saying that Gaga fans are rude about other singers, well, those fans say some horrible stuff to us too. She should check out Rihanna's twitter page and see how Rihanna is so rude to her own fans and encourages negative behaviour and b---hiness (and her fans cheer her on). Gaga has never done that. Every fanbase has good and bad fans. Gaga fans are far from the worst out there. And if Sharon thinks that a few words from Gaga could stop all her fans from being nasty, then I don't know what planet she's on. People can think for themselves. They don't live their lives through every little thing that their favourite singers tell them. And some will take a message and twist it to mean something else or think they're the only exception. Sharon needs to control her daughter and calm down herself. She's just mad because she's not getting the exposure she once had. She's been on reality show after reality show in an effort to keep herself relevant and yet Gaga's the one who's the publicity hungry attention seeker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Matthews 11 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 In no way did Gaga handle this the wrong way. Gaga realized that the root cause of Kelly's bullying comes from the fact that she also bullys people on TV as a profession. Also, do you have to make fun of people's struggles such as being fat in order to make people laugh. If this is the case than Kelly is not a good comedian. Finally, Sharon did not have the right to drag her as you said (that was just a perfonal attack on Gaga), because Gaga made this public in order to create awarness of bullying not only Kelly and her fans, but also to create awarness to any celebrity or media overall of what harm they are doing to society. Oh really now. Well, can I assume you only read the "tl;dr" part of my post? Yeah. You should try to read the whole thing if you have some spare time and try to see where I'm coming from. Let me try to break it down for you. Gaga did handle this the wrong way. Why? Because she shouldn't be the one pointing fingers about the issue of bullying. Examples? Die Antwoord, NME, Rihanna, Madonna... The list goes on for quite a while. I'm in no way saying the issue of bullying isn't important, don't get me wrong. I'm just stating that in my personal opinion, Gaga should take a look in the mirror before calling out other people on their behavior. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 15,002 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I might have missed something, but when did gaga say anything bad about Adele? Or even Rihanna? British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipMike 2 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 :popcorn: oh crap it is getting better now. Perez Hilton â€@PerezHilton @MrsSOsbourne Thank you for being a champion of the truth! xoxo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Matthews 11 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 And Gaga probably followed similar instincts protecting her fans. All the Gaga insults in the world didn't seem to piss her off as much as having someone insult her fans. :) I can understand her motherly instincts towards her fans, but come on now... Of all the insults about her fans, should she really be sticking her neck out for the Little Monsters who sent death threats to Kelly? Sharon contacted Vince in private, but again Kelly was the one who went public in the interview. Being a "comedian" doesnt give a person the right to say anything they want. And if they feel like it does then they should be prepared to be criticized for jokes they make. She didnt attack Kelly. A example of attacking is what Sharon just did. The interview or whatever else Kelly publicized about Gaga or her fanbase are completely separate from what happened today. Gaga got pissed about the message Sharon sent to her manager. She felt attacked on a personal level, whilst as you can tell from the email Sharon sent to Vincent, Sharon tried to handle the matter in a very civilized manner. Gaga got ticked off and overreacted. End of story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHausOfJosh 0 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 :popcorn: oh crap it is getting better now. Perez Hilton â€@PerezHilton @MrsSOsbourne Thank you for being a champion of the truth! xoxo :smh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison M 357 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Oh really now. Well, can I assume you only read the "tl;dr" part of my post? Yeah. You should try to read the whole thing if you have some spare time and try to see where I'm coming from. Let me try to break it down for you. Gaga did handle this the wrong way. Why? Because she shouldn't be the one pointing fingers about the issue of bullying. Examples? Die Antwoord, NME, Rihanna, Madonna... The list goes on for quite a while. I'm in no way saying the issue of bullying isn't important, don't get me wrong. I'm just stating that in my personal opinion, Gaga should take a look in the mirror before calling out other people on their behavior. What did Gaga do to Rihianna? And I want to see the rest of that list. Gaga doesn't attack other artists. She only said something to Die Antwoord and Madonna because they crossed the line. But I can't think of anyone else. If you're talking about the fans attacking artists, that's a whole other story, every fanbase does that, and Gaga is not responsible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandchildDavid 14 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 :popcorn: oh crap it is getting better now. Perez Hilton â€@PerezHilton @MrsSOsbourne Thank you for being a champion of the truth! xoxo :popcorn: oh btw no1 curs about Perez. :hor: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Oh really now. Well, can I assume you only read the "tl;dr" part of my post? Yeah. You should try to read the whole thing if you have some spare time and try to see where I'm coming from. Let me try to break it down for you. Gaga did handle this the wrong way. Why? Because she shouldn't be the one pointing fingers about the issue of bullying. Examples? Die Antwoord, NME, Rihanna, Madonna... The list goes on for quite a while. I'm in no way saying the issue of bullying isn't important, don't get me wrong. I'm just stating that in my personal opinion, Gaga should take a look in the mirror before calling out other people on their behavior. I am not sure what you are talking about in what I bolded, but just because you do something wrong in the past doesn't mean that you can correct yourself or that you can't promote good when you once did something wrong. For example, lets say I bullied you in the past, and then I felt sorry for what I did, can I not decide to promote untibullying now that I admitted and fixed my mistake? Edited January 11, 2013 by EnigmaSLLC7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Pancake 693 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 hopefully, gaga doesn't reply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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