NightStar 313 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said: So they were Ukrainian missiles that fell on Poland by accident. I knew it.. In the more recent news, Reuters have been quoting their NATO source who claims that Biden said Ukraine air defence missile was responsible for Poland blast, so you're right https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/biden-said-ukraine-air-defence-missile-responsible-poland-blast-nato-source-2022-11-16/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,746 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Now that is basically confirmed the event was caused by Ukraine, watch online platforms, analysts, news outlets etc to carefully drop the story, 'cause it will put Ukraine in a bad light and not Russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomOfTheDance 13,795 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 why is it that everything in this decade is a "close call"? when will it end up being too damn close? ugh, i don't like living in uncertainty. i just want things to be back to normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,746 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I am going to be honest.. The ease in which Ukrainian government figures threw around the idea that Russia fired missiles on Poland without proof, effectively asking for WW3 doesn't sit right with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eido 3,685 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 While I get that Ukraine president wants the war to stop asap i feel like pressuring everybody at the G20 to start an all out war with Russia is like doing the exact contrary of what he wants to achieve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,938 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Eido said: While I get that Ukraine president wants the war to stop asap i feel like pressuring everybody at the G20 to start an all out war with Russia is like doing the exact contrary of what he wants to achieve Well the quickest way to stop the war is to have Russia leave. If they think Russia will run scared from a real NATO conflict, it makes sense that they'd feel the need to get NATO involved. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaby15 14,528 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 17 hours ago, Gaby15 said: Not gas, but oil. Fortunately the Turkish gas pipeline is still intact, because it cannot be fully replaced. The petroleum pipeline can be replaced if the flow is not restored quickly, but in this case additional technological problems are expected. The country also has reserves for a few months. And the whole situation is reversed. Since enough alternative pipelines with other countries were not built before, it is difficult to buy elsewhere now, since gas cannot be delivered without pipelines. Update: The oil pipeline started operating again with a temporarily reduced capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,677 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Thankful for steady hands at the top of leadership waiting to assign blame, unlike Zelenskyy… God what an absolute mess this all was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magui 2,656 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Hopefully no more incidents will happen ( specifically incidents that take more inocent lives), but the i way see it it's bound to happen if the conflict has no end and by the way it's going there is no end to it in the near future. Russia will not stop, there's no going back, they must have win, so we will wait until the Ukraine have no option but to give them territory ( how much of it, what cities will see). The worst sh*t about this, is there isn't a solution in the horizon, it's just wait and endure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Thankful for steady hands at the top of leadership waiting to assign blame, unlike Zelenskyy… God what an absolute mess this all was 6 hours ago, Eido said: While I get that Ukraine president wants the war to stop asap i feel like pressuring everybody at the G20 to start an all out war with Russia is like doing the exact contrary of what he wants to achieve It's important to not jump to conclusions here. Yesterday at the time the polish explosion happened, 90 cruise missiles were launched towards Ukraine. And U.S intelligence officer reportedly told AP that they thought it was a russian missile. So maybe there was a bit of confusion at first. Stop with the drama, Zelensky did not call for WW3, he simply said that "we must act". There are many ways to act without starting "WW3" as for example, allowing NATO air defenses to shoot down russian missiles that come too close to Poland etc... The fact of the matter is this would not have happened if not for the barrage of attacks yesterday. And we don't know a key detail yet, what did the ukrainian air defense shoot down, if it did shoot down a russian missile as reported, why did such a missile come too close or breached polish airspace anyway? So chill and let's stop blaming people who are the victims in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 Added additional details from NATO briefing: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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