Johnny Depp in talks to dress up as the Moonman at VMAs

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4 hours ago, Meat said:

What’s next? R Kelly will be hosting the Grammys?

 

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3 hours ago, KORG said:

All the haters 

2 people were in a toxic relationship. One happened to be female and made false allegations of domestic violence. She do tired images and lied under oath. 

a vagona doesnt mean your claims are always valid. Imagine this happened to your dad, brother or son. 

sure he may not be all innocence & light, but thats perfectly NORMAL. Nobody is captain peace 24/7. 

Anyone with a fully functioning brain can see what she tried to do to him, especially when you see the men she has had money out of in the past.

I'm not a Depp fan, I've only ever seen one thing he was in, I think, sweeney Todd, and it wasn't exactly the best thing on earth. I am in no way biased.

Believing anyone, male or female, when there is SO much proof and evidence that disproves them... well there's no kind way to say it. It makes you stupid. Incapable of rational thought. Do you consider yourself to be of the same mindset of Trumpists believing lies and ignoring indisputable evidence? Because that's LITERALLY the same.

Enough is enough. Don't "believe women", don't "believe men". Believe evidence.

Good god.

One thing you need to acknowledge though in this discussion you're opening is that men and women are coming from a different history. And this acknowledgement to this extent didn't happen until very recently, let alone in court. It is in case very new that people are shedding light on it - again - to this extent in society and it certainly needs to be discussed more to see it be written into legislation. While it seems questionable to say "believe women" in the Amber Heard example it is so vital because we as a public eye (that has a male gaze) literally are beginning to realize that women's history has an affect on how we -regardless of gender- see them, treat them, judge them and believe them. Not just equal pay, not just control over their bodies, not just voting rights not just having "them" as the responsible figure for rising a child. Not that this is new information for people but I believe it is new that this is popping up on people's radar on such a growing scale of demographic. I am not a gender studies nerd as it may seem right now, in fact I haven't really really digged in into feminist lecture and theory until very recently, for your interest I am a white cis man myself and it has popped up on my radar a few months ago to have figured to. what. extent. (!!) women are being treated differently in this world by seeing how racism has created dynamics of power in ourselves individually and how it is ultimately connected to how institutions work for example and further how our society is set up. You cannot deny the past of racism and you cannot do so when it comes to misogyny and how it is also playing into in every aspects of power that is possible on this world (for women and against them but I am more concentrating on the "against" in this). Domestic abuse is not only a private topic, it is literally how misogyny works and where it works so effortlessly is at home and it was put on display for the entire world to see and make decide on who to believe. It is a topic with a scheme of a certain dynamic that comes down to power and while Amber Heard definitely did things that are wrong she comes from a different background than Johnny Deep, simply because she is a woman and that needs to be not denied. (And that still is very commonly seen as some sort of dictatoric rhetoric or sth) 

It does sound absurd and crazy on this example with Heard though because it seems (and is) so obvious that she did things that surely deserve punishment but the question around equity in this case is a discussion we need to have and take seriously BECAUSE 1) it was put on display for the public eye so it seeks for public opinion 2) being public had such a significant influence on this case and one involved in this fight even asked for that to happen 3) from a public perspective, if we want to take Amber Heard seriously we need to take her seriously as a woman. We need to take her history seriously - as a woman - because we didn't until now and it plays into the decision onto who is given right whether or not we want to see it from that perspective anyway, 4 and last) it was a decision made that can be seen as a precedent because of its publicity, especially on this day and age. With such tremendous influence on our society.

Now Heard has a lot of priviledge and undoubtedly had moments in her life that gave her the chance to realize what she's actually doing to him and have the choice to not do it but so did Johnny Depp. The devil lies in the detail. And domestic abuse is literally a matter of micro psychological decisions where one leads to another, where some decisions are made in that very second it happens and others are executed by being planned for a long time and so on. It's extremely complicated to unravel and at the end say this is how it went from A-Z. That is with racism and the same happens with misogyny in my opinion. The crucial thing is we are just now slowly realizing the extent of these problems in the general public and the methods to handle them are not widely known, barely accepted and rather questioned. Amber Heard may saw bigger obstacles coming at her when she had to face a decision that made her do things and decided to not do them or did them regardless, knowing the outcome or not knowing the outcome. Knowing she'll forever be the crazy wife and never receive a role in her life again when she cries and lies in front of the camera or do it purposefully because she wants to not be controlled by such dynamics anyway and unplug from them. Maybe she did that very early on. It's hard to tell from the outside because that is a decision made very deeply inside because that is where misogyny acts make you feel attacked. It's impossible to compare to Johnny Depp. He had a different background that deserves its own introspective, he's one with seemingly similar decisions to face but the truth is that incidence of similarity in their actions of hatred against each other is exactly again that space where misogny is doing its things and make it so hard to the ones being affected by it to make it make sense to the observers who haven't faced it. Because they both were so similar in their acts of violence against each other you may be tempted to say that misogyny is not around here because they acted equally bad. It's nearly impossible for Heard to make the public believe her because that is where misogyny acts and disappears because it seems to be irrelevant in this case. The truth is we'll never really know. What we can do is to look at them both and be compassionate for their feelings and try to understand their decisions but not forget where she was coming from and where he was coming from. Because - it was displayed to the whole world. If this was a case discussed privately it really doesn't seek its public relevance and doesn't deserve that observation in my opinion but that way it did. He openend this case to the public and presented it to the world in hope for something that gives him right. He maybe didn't foresee what different consequences this showcase is going to have on them each, maybe he did - all we know is how it ended up. And we know things happened that play exactly into the known power dynamics of misogyny. People carelessly shitted on her on the internet, made fun of her, made her pain go viral to a point where it was almost absurd and even for the abusers (I mean the ones online) be felt that this may be enough now. People were completely sure Johnny Depp is being terrorized by a crazy, mentally ill woman because she did things that are "obvious" and "obviously punishable regardless of gender". To an extent, yes rightfully so but the world that judged her is simply not aware enough to make that very judgement afterall. And, in my opinion so is the juridical system with its laws that provides the orientation for the judges, so are many judges themselves that lead their courts. The world as it is now on this day and age with its public opinions is simply not in the position to make such decisions and think "evidence is enough" to be sure on who to believe. I think that is the main difference and what irks me the most about this discussion. You know if we were living in a world where men and women and any gender were treated not only equally but equitably and the world would have a perfect understanding and a sense of compassion about it and how it works and still - made fun of her on the internet - I would be fine. Because they where aware that she seriously ****ed this one up. And in that case I would not have anything to say against your points. But that isn't the case so I do. I don't want to wait for this scenario to take ages until it finally happens but I just want a world where it's a little more sensitive towards that topics than it is now. Because right now it certainly is not nowhere near any kind of wider or global readiness to allow women tell their stories and listen to them in a serious manner that could had direct influence on law books. As we see it is rather the opposite. (Roe vs Wade) We have a men who showcased his "crazy" wife to the world and he got away with it because he was believed by a patriarchal world. He had an advantage from the get go that is undeniable and what we know is that he did something (make the case public) where his priviledge of being a man was in full effect, where his priviledge of being a man that is very well known and therefore in power of having a certain control on people, was in full effect. I'm not saying she isn't crazy and she did certainly things that are horrible and undeniably horrible but the devil lies in the detail to make such decisions, if we are being real. And the world surely is not the one who sees all the details as they are and what led that couple to do one horrible thing by another. People's opinions as a public form who are not aware of nearly anywhere near everything that is playing into this case should not be the ones to contribute to a opinion, let alone judgement. I think it is to the judge to make such decision in a private form of hearing. Because ultimately not fully knowing and still supporting a public agenda supports those who directly benefit from it in everyday life. And in this case it is men who rape and beat women who then go to the police and need to answer questions about their mental capacity. And that is only the tip of the iceberg on things about how men get away with treating women poorly. It has been that way for ages and this case does nothing to make this go away. It does the complete opposite. I wholeheartedly believe that patriarchy is still so incredibly underestimated and even questioned to really understand to what extent it effects us all and not just women but everyone and that is why I could not stop writing this.. lol Sorry for the essay, this may not be the best space to post such long text haha I had to and I'm thanking you for your thoughts for inspiring me to have mine. I'd be agreeing with your points if we were living in a different world. What was the topic again? I could care less about Johnny Depp dressing up as a moonman. The VMA's a miserable.

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1 hour ago, Meat said:

Twitter threads are only pointing out what kind of a sick human being he has been for the past two decades. This isn’t even about the Amber case. He is a horrible person way before that. The kind of language he uses to describe women in his leaked texts in deplorable. He talks about wanting to rape someone’s dead body. And y’all are out here defending him? 

Twitter threads are still not evidence also he never acted on it so i dont see why you had to compare him to r kelly 

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47 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Wow. A lot of toxicity in the comments. Kinda wild that because Amber is awful automatically absolves Johnny Depp's equally monstrous behavior. The information seem in both the televised trial and the unsealed documents spell out plainly that 2 garbage people found eachother and did garbage things. But of course because dude used to be hot, the sympathizers will defend any and all disgusting traits he has while blaming a woman. 

No we are defending him because amber lied about it johnny didnt

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4 hours ago, Meat said:

 

After seeing how he abuses women and protects rapists like Marilyn Manson, he’s not that far away from Kelly.

Choosing to believe Amber after a professional in digital editing literally showed everyone, step by step, in court, how all of her evidence was faked and edited? Please.

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14 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Choosing to believe Amber after a professional in digital editing literally showed everyone, step by step, in court, how all of her evidence was faked and edited? Please.

This has nothing to do with Amber. He has been a horrible human being since the beginning of his career. 

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7 minutes ago, Meat said:

This has nothing to do with Amber. He has been a horrible human being since the beginning of his career. 

You are talking about him abusing women, even his past wife confirmed it wasn't true.

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9 minutes ago, Meat said:

This has nothing to do with Amber. He has been a horrible human being since the beginning of his career. 

Ya he is so horrible that he went to a hospital dressed up as jack sparrow to visit a fan suffering from cancer 

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The 2 people quoting me skipping over the fact I called them both trash & referring to the Heard case as the reasoning to dislike him being moot.

Use the other reasons, Amber Heard is NOT a victim. At best she is a consenting participant in a toxic relationship where 2 people.... well they were Blake & Amy really, but less talented.

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I’d feel the same way if Amber was the one dressed up. Just feel like it’s a weird way for them to capitalise on Johnny’s recent resurgence in public support as a result of his trial. Just weird, clearly a shameless ploy to get more viewers. 

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I hope this is a fake rumour because wtf?????????? I've been fuming about this for months now im still not over how horrible society/media/social media dealt with this whole situation

Also I swear people are so stupid like why can't they understand that two people can be horrible? are yall children? it's not like there's a good person and a bad person, they're both horrible

like it's not bc she was abusive that he wasn't? some of yalls brains are so small that you can't fathom two people being guilty of abuse simultaneously or what? smmhhh

we get it she was abusive but why are yall so vocal about her abusive behaviour but then when it's about him it's crickets? 

maybe men need a symbol of a man victim of abuse idk, but like clearly not him lmao?

he obviously shouldn't be invited, just like she shouldn't (and isn't bc everyone hates her but of course the guy is still loved) I cannot bear this 

also not people trying to defend him by saying "don't believe women, don't believe men, believe evidence" when evidence shows that they were both abusive, worms on the brain

also the UK judge ultimately ruled that the allegations against Depp were “substantially true”

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4 hours ago, KORG said:

Nobody is captain peace 24/7.

worst take ever when talking about abuse allegations

 

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28 minutes ago, Suuus said:

Ya he is so horrible that he went to a hospital dressed up as jack sparrow to visit a fan suffering from cancer 

hm actually this takes the crown for the the worst take ever when talking about abuse allegations I'm sorry what is this? I'm speechless

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9 minutes ago, Monstruous said:

I hope this is a fake rumour because wtf?????????? I've been fuming about this for months now im still not over how horrible society/media/social media dealt with this whole situation

Also I swear people are so stupid like why can't they understand that two people can be horrible? are yall children? it's not like there's a good person and a bad person, they're both horrible

like it's not bc she was abusive that he wasn't? some of yalls brains are so small that you can't fathom two people being guilty of abuse simultaneously or what? smmhhh

we get it she was abusive but why are yall so vocal about her abusive behaviour but then when it's about him it's crickets? 

maybe men need a symbol of a man victim of abuse idk, but like clearly not him lmao?

he obviously shouldn't be invited, just like she shouldn't (and isn't bc everyone hates her but of course the guy is still loved) I cannot bear this 

also not people trying to defend him by saying "don't believe women, don't believe men, believe evidence" when evidence shows that they were both abusive, worms on the brain

also the UK judge ultimately ruled that the allegations against Depp were “substantially true”

Maybe its because amber lied about it and johnny didnt also amber is going for a retrial so ya she deserves all the hate she is getting 

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7 minutes ago, Monstruous said:

worst take ever when talking about abuse allegations

 

I was talking about the evidence.