JK Rowling supports Macy Gray’s transphobic comments: “truth hurts.”

[Not The Real Gaga 7,545]

21 hours ago, Andrea Nicole said:

but I understand the point, people react better if we're calm or if we ignore them. I'm not dumb I fully understand what you're all saying but please don't judge us so easily, blame us for transphobia or how transphobic people react.

Remember that we're humans, we have traumas, feelings and stress. There are a lot of trans people that react how you like(calm) but others can't do that at the moment.

@CameltoeKween@Not The Real Gaga

Thanks for your replies to my post!

I will come back to you to give a proper answer  but I'm dealing with Covid right now and I'm pretty ill

[Andrea B 16,753]

1 hour ago, SamanthaC said:

Just to add here. I, as a biological cis female, do not feel it’s a valid argument to say that a trans person doesn’t understand the struggles of being a biological female. Why does that even matter? Referring to someone as a birthing person instead of a woman in labor doesn’t change who I am. It’s not eliminating those “struggles.” This argument is dumb honestly. The whole argument that our womanhood is being taken away by trans people is just dumb. People don’t take my straightness away by being gay. I’m my own person and my personal struggles are my own regardless of what gender I was assigned at birth and if that is my gender now. 

I also have a problem with people saying that trans women are not biological women. A lot of people need to remember that our gender is WOMAN and trans, black, white, mexican, etc are adjectives.

I mean, I'm not saying that I have an uterus or denying my penis but I'm a biological human and I'm a woman, I knew I was a girl since i was 5 so I know what is like to be a girl since I was little, of course my experience was different from a cis kid but I was still a girl no matter what, people need to open their eyes and see that women are diverse(just like men) and we experience different things according to our skin color, culture, sexual orientation etc. this is why intersectionality is so important.

a trans girl in the closet acting like a ''boy'' or a ''guy'' is part of womanhood, its part of being a woman too, a trans woman.

Trans woman can experience sexual harrasment, misogyny, etc just like any cis woman.

[SharkmanthaC 114,690]

5 hours ago, Andrea Nicole said:

I also have a problem with people saying that trans women are not biological women. A lot of people need to remember that our gender is WOMAN and trans, black, white, mexican, etc are adjectives.

I mean, I'm not saying that I have an uterus or denying my penis but I'm a biological human and I'm a woman, I knew I was a girl since i was 5 so I know what is like to be a girl since I was little, of course my experience was different from a cis kid but I was still a girl no matter what, people need to open their eyes and see that women are diverse(just like men) and we experience different things according to our skin color, culture, sexual orientation etc. this is why intersectionality is so important.

a trans girl in the closet acting like a ''boy'' or a ''guy'' is part of womanhood, its part of being a woman too, a trans woman.

Trans woman can experience sexual harrasment, misogyny, etc just like any cis woman.

I’m sorry. I hope my language wasn’t offensive. I was trying to be careful of my wording. But yes, trans women are women. And calling them that doesn’t mean that someone is attacking my womanhood. It’s just crazy how people are making themselves out to be a victim when it’s not even about us. 

[SharkmanthaC 114,690]

6 hours ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

Thanks for your replies to my post!

I will come back to you to give a proper answer  but I'm dealing with Covid right now and I'm pretty ill

I hope you recover quickly and it isn’t too severe. 

[Serial Chiller 8,044]

WHY has this thread derailed into "dont scare allies away with your anger"

JKR is NOT an ally. People gave her the benefit of the doubt at first. She didnt become the target of the witch hunt overnight. She went on and on about trans people and never shut up. 

This is literal textbook gaslighting. 

[Pennywise 36,079]

10 hours ago, NCgaga said:

I also don’t know you…with that being said…

That’s not how this works. Because someone is able to see both sides of the spectrum, AND YOU DONT AGREE WITH IT, Does t mean they are a “terf”. Name calling, insinuating someone lives under a bunker, etc- because someone doesn’t see things exactly the way you do, only exposes your short mindedness and incabability to see opposing view points. You aren’t Interested in anyone’s opinion but your own, because In your mind, you are right. You aren’t Interested in conversation, because you have already made Up your mind. 

I mean... do you expect me to be sorry that I do not accept hate as a viewpoint? Me "not seeing" something and me refusing legitimize it are two completely different things. I can see TERFS. I refuse to legitimize their hate as a "different viewpoint". You, on the other hand, sound like:

 

 

 

 

[Suuus 5,632]

9 hours ago, SamanthaC said:

Just to add here. I, as a biological cis female, do not feel it’s a valid argument to say that a trans person doesn’t understand the struggles of being a biological female. Why does that even matter? Referring to someone as a birthing person instead of a woman in labor doesn’t change who I am. It’s not eliminating those “struggles.” This argument is dumb honestly. The whole argument that our womanhood is being taken away by trans people is just dumb. People don’t take my straightness away by being gay. I’m my own person and my personal struggles are my own regardless of what gender I was assigned at birth and if that is my gender now. 

Well i prefer being called birth mother i hope thats oke and i hope that im offending anyone with this

[SharkmanthaC 114,690]

1 minute ago, Suuus said:

Well i prefer being called birth mother i hope thats oke and i hope that im offending anyone with this

If someone is specifically referring to you, then. it's fine. Just like someone using the prefered pronouns of someone. When speaking in general, saying birthing person is more inclusive. 

[Suuus 5,632]

1 minute ago, SamanthaC said:

If someone is specifically referring to you, then. it's fine. Just like someone using the prefered pronouns of someone. When speaking in general, saying birthing person is more inclusive. 

Thanks but i probably never have to do this in the netherlands were im from its not really an issue atleast ive never heard anyone talk about this here?

[ajmsamuel 1,530]

On 7/5/2022 at 10:55 PM, Andrea Nicole said:

Sometimes I really hate allies, they think they know everything about us bc they read it somewhere or bc they have a big imagination.

 

even JK rowling sees herself as an ally lol 

mom im glad u are still here with us

[ItWasntLaauv 6,392]

A common denominator seems to be people conflating sex and gender on both sides of this issue when they’re not the same thing. Like I get that, in the grand scheme, it seems to be a newer concept, psychology has been backing it up for a minute now. If people stopped confusing the two, a lot of these arguments wouldn’t even be a thing imo. I can see where they’re coming from with some of their view points in a way, but in the crossfire they’re making it seem okay to dog on trans people just for being trans.

[LittleMonster20 9,858]

The biggest problem with ‘gender critical feminism’ is the fact that these people view transgender people as a monolith that can be eliminated, as opposed to an actual group of the world population with millions of people that not just need rights, but also tend to live normal lives. This is the most important part of this conversation.

I as a trans person myself always try to distance myself as much as possibly from this discourse, not just because of the vile language and actions, but also because it’s frankly a waste of my time to engage with people who throw tantrums over trans people’s mere existence. That and not realizing that we are just as much worthy of respect and rights as them, and just because we experience our gender differently doesn’t make us any less valid.

[Andrea B 16,753]

10 hours ago, Serial Chiller said:

WHY has this thread derailed into "dont scare allies away with your anger"

JKR is NOT an ally. People gave her the benefit of the doubt at first. She didnt become the target of the witch hunt overnight. She went on and on about trans people and never shut up. 

This is literal textbook gaslighting. 

bc a lot of people here are transphobic and they don't even know it. I could tag a lot of them.

[Suuus 5,632]

1 hour ago, Andrea Nicole said:

bc a lot of people here are transphobic and they don't even know it. I could tag a lot of them.

Kunda suck that you cant do it because you would probably get banned

[Togekiss 2,528]

One thought a friend brought up recently which I think is interesting.

To paraphrase:

Trans women are women. I believe that. Societal definitions of gender are constructs of society itself.

However, trans women and cis women have lived experiences some of which are similar and some of which are different. For example, to pick a topical subject, cis women can be forced to bare a pregnancy to term. Trans women cannot.

Acknowledging that is not radical or transphobic, it’s reality.

Women are women, but not all women are the same. Black women in America face higher mortality rates during pregnancy than white women for example. Does that mean black and white women are not equally women? Of course not. But these groups have different experiences that matter in real life.

I think we need better language to describe people’s experiences of gender/sex and how they interact and this is all an important part of that discussion. We should keep talking without telling one another to go f* themselves. But that’s just me.