Kim Petras - Slut Pop (Behind The Scenes)

[LadyxGaGa 1,241]

1 hour ago, nightadieu said:

On the social view, yes, people wouldn’t be so hard on her if she sided with Kesha, but it’s very naive to assume it would be so easy. She is still bound to her contract with him. In order to be able to get signed by another label she would have to go through a lawsuit herself. 

As per your “she has the money and power” statement: thanks for the laugh. Just to put this into perspective: in 2017, Kesha had a net worth of 30M$. She now down to 5M$. Kim Petras’ net worth is 5M$. She has 700k Followers. How on earth do you think she has the money and the power to survive a lawsuit against one of the most influential man in the music industry?

gaga literally took off the song she worked with r. kelly. is she can do it so can kim. she could restart. kesha restarted. so can kim. 

 

 

y’all underestimate kim sm

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1 hour ago, LadyxGaGa said:

gaga literally took off the song she worked with r. kelly. is she can do it so can kim. she could restart. kesha restarted. so can kim. 

 

 

y’all underestimate kim sm

Very humbling of you to compare Gaga, who has been in the industry for over ten years at the point of removing her music to Kim Petras, who is seeing commercial success since 2018. 

Kesha has been a household name with globally charting hits and a reasonable net worth. Kim does have neither of those. Sure, Kesha is fighting her way out of the contract but Kim couldn’t do that. 

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14 hours ago, CameltoeKween said:

Jesus christ get a hobby guys  go buy Kesha's merch or stream her music and stop making hating Kim your personality because its boring and hella performative 

And the irony is streaming Kesha still benefits Luke since she’s still under him. Then people come up with excuses to continue listening to Doja like “well she’s working with him against her will, etc”. Gurl it doesn’t matter lol, at the end of the day if you stream any artist under Luke, he still benefits. There’s no way around it, people choosing to boycott Kim while not others under Luke are the epitome of Fake Woke. 

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7 hours ago, TheOriginalOne said:

I don’t get this logic at all. So are people transphobic if they don’t support republican/conservative Caitlyn Jenner? Is that also a “gorgeous paradox” for you? 

Cartland Jenners actions are her own.

Kim didn't assault anyone. It's what's called "guilt by association".

Alot of people in here ready to jump from one mindset to another without any real thoughts.

Kim is contractually obligated to work with him. She is in the position Kesha was in when she was vulnerable. Its not good enough for you guys until after the trauma though, right? A true paparazzivma.mpeg experience.

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17 hours ago, KORG said:

People unsupportive because of Dr puke are coming from one angle but surely this creates a wokeness paradox.

Youre refusing to support a trans woman. Because of the actions of a cis man. So by unsupportive behaviour, you cause harm to a trans woman & the case man is so rich already he will not even care.

Are you a TERF? Free Kesha or Cancel Kim?

The conflict is gorgeous. 

That...isn’t the conflict at all lmao you’re basically saying you have to support a trans person regardless of any wrong or fault? The lack of support is not “the actions of the cis man” it’s HER actions to support his. She has come out supporting him not just working under contract. That’s a wildly different picture than the one you’re painting just so you can come in here with some faux intellectual gotcha debate line.

By your logic, not supporting Caitlin Jenner because she supports Trump is anti-trans. That literally makes no sense at all. Support of trans politics and equity goes beyond any one individual. You can support someone’s right to existing freely without supporting their personal politics which is exactly what is happening here and with Caitlin Jenner. There’s no paradox here, you just don’t understand what the arguments people are making are actually about.

For what it’s worth, again, you can support someone’s right to exist freely without supporting their personal particular decisions and politics. Even if she *is* solely under contract and trapped like Kesha (which she is not remotely and that’s a terrible comparison to draw as Kesha has alleged extensive abuse from him), the move on support of activists who care would actually be to stop streaming the music and advocate for her to be released from his contract. I don’t see anyone advocating for that, though, so clearly that is not the thing on people’s minds. They’d rather say, “well she’s helpless so there’s nothing I can do but stan and stream!” It’s a lazy stance, frankly, and lacking any conviction because if you are to say she’s trapped and you’re fully aware of that why wouldn’t you do *anything* at all to try changing that situation so the artist you admire so much can make music “freely”? As I said, lacking that second action oriented element of their argument, what they’re clearly actually trying to argue is that they can’t help but stream her music despite the accusations. They’re absolving themselves of having to actually take a moral stance on the legit issue by cobbling up an ad-hoc new one that pretends to be more compelling than it is

(and to be clear, I don’t really stream any of Dr Luke’s music so this is not something exclusive to Kim Petras which I think is a whole other component to this convo)

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Here to clarify some things.

- Kim is not the only trans artist, hating her for working with an alleged abuser doesn't make you transphobic.

- Kim is NOT in the same situation Kesha is right now, she works happily with him, BabyE confirmed this on his discord. Not to mention that both Kim and Aaron Joseph said she's independent, she's not signed to anyone up until 2019.

- Kim was NEVER struggling to find a deal, this was also confirmed by Aaron Joseph. She made the decision to work with Dr. Luke out of all the offers she got.

- We just want Kesha to not work with her abuser anymore, it's that simple. This simply won't be a reality if an abuser keeps on having a platform. Of course we can't stop his income because his name was everywhere in the 2000s/2010s. We can however pressure people who VOLUNTARILY work with him into not working with him anymore. 

Kesha's been fighting since 2005 to get out of this contract with someone who R*PED her, it's been almost 18 years. 

 

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Why can’t y’all find another trans artists to support 

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it just seems kinda ... wrong to support Kim just because she's trans. You voting for Caitlin for CA governor too? Trans women can do bad things too. 

Anyway, that's just to say her being trans has nothing to do with how I think about this. I don't think any artist should be held responsible for their producers' behaviors. I especially don't hold it against her that she didn't fully denounce one of her biggest producers in a public interview. 

Could she be a bad person? Maybe. But I'm not doing a deep investigation into the morals and ethics of every artist I listen to if they have some good songs. 

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1 hour ago, Meat said:

Why can’t y’all find another trans artists to support 

This. There are SO MANY other artists out there to listen to, many of which are noncis. Kim is not second coming.

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5 hours ago, nightadieu said:

Very humbling of you to compare Gaga, who has been in the industry for over ten years at the point of removing her music to Kim Petras, who is seeing commercial success since 2018. 

Kesha has been a household name with globally charting hits and a reasonable net worth. Kim does have neither of those. Sure, Kesha is fighting her way out of the contract but Kim couldn’t do that. 

the thing is kim could but she just doesn’t wanna 

 

 

and it is fair to compare. kesha and gaga are no better than kimmy poo so kim a lim can deff follow in her pop idols footsteps

 

if kimmie started once. she can start again 

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8 hours ago, nightadieu said:

I don’t know where you get your information from, but Kim literally is in the same boat as Doja since both are signed to him. Doja has a record deal, which means she can choose the producers to an extent whereas Kim has a publishing deal, meaning no matter who she works with behind the scenes, Luke will always be credited for her work. 

Doja and Kim's situations are entirely different. Doja was on Luke's radar as far back as late 2012, and she was taking meetings with Kemosabe and RCA in Spring 2013 before signing with them later that year. An entire year before Kesha accused Luke of assaulting her. Kim, on the other hand, met Luke through her friend/producer, Aaron Joseph (who remains her roommate and has co-written/produced virtually every song Kim has released, including the Slut Pop EP) in 2016, possibly 2015.

Aaron himself said that he took Kim to meet Luke in the midst of the drama with Kesha, and that Luke told them his side of the story, and they were still game to work with him and Larry Rudolph. Aaron had stated several times that Kim was not under any contractual obligation to work with Luke and had no deal with Prescription songs either at the time, despite what the Twitter account you posted earlier claims

Kim is only in the same boat now because she chose to be after signing a joint deal with Luke's Amigo Records and Republic last year, which also came with a Prescription Songs publishing deal. And even then, it's still not the same, because Kim has already faced backlash for working with Luke for years now, and is well aware of the implications behind her continued work with him. She's choosing to stay loyal because she doesn't believe Kesha. It's that simple. And you know what? If people want to keep bopping to Kim and she wants to work with Luke, that's entirely fine. But let's not sit here screaming about transphobia, deflecting onto other artists, and making up lies about how Kim actually got into this situation. Just say you don't care and keep it moving.

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1 hour ago, Mr Peeps said:

Here to clarify some things.

- Kim is not the only trans artist, hating her for working with an alleged abuser doesn't make you transphobic.

- Kim is NOT in the same situation Kesha is right now, she works happily with him, BabyE confirmed this on his discord. Not to mention that both Kim and Aaron Joseph said she's independent, she's not signed to anyone up until 2019.

- Kim was NEVER struggling to find a deal, this was also confirmed by Aaron Joseph. She made the decision to work with Dr. Luke out of all the offers she got.

- We just want Kesha to not work with her abuser anymore, it's that simple. This simply won't be a reality if an abuser keeps on having a platform. Of course we can't stop his income because his name was everywhere in the 2000s/2010s. We can however pressure people who VOLUNTARILY work with him into not working with him anymore. 

Kesha's been fighting since 2005 to get out of this contract with someone who R*PED her, it's been almost 18 years. 

 

This. This. THIS.

It's really not that hard. But they refuse to see the logic and simply call it transphobia, if that fails, they say "gaga and r kelly!!1!11" and when that fails it's "but what about doja cat!!1!1" 

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I thought the whole album and visuals were BTS

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Is she going to show where she works with Dr luke while stepping on other female artist’s pain?

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Tbh, all of u guys talking why she shouldn't work with Dr.Luke cause of the Kesha saga..

When we really need to talk about why she shouldn't work with Dr.Luke cause he produced this nightmare of experience called "Slut Pop"

Like for real, I tried real hard to like it but everything about it is just trying too hard.