ALGAYDO 32,707 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Julien Mayer said: So y'all don't care about people who still works with him if they don't said anything good about him ? But Kim said her experience with him was good so y'all need to trash her ? Some artists continue to works (not closely) with his company but it's ok because they don't say anything good about him ? Well ? I'm confusion right now It doesn’t matter if they say they like him or not, if they willingly work with an abuser, they should get called out for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,707 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, CameltoeKween said: Jesus christ get a hobby guys go buy Kesha's merch or stream her music and stop making hating Kim your personality because its boring and hella performative Calling out people who willingly support abusers is suddenly a bad thing now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 826 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: It doesn’t matter if they say they like him or not, if they willingly work with an abuser, they should get called out for it. But they're not called out Kim is the only person who get and harassement from now, that's why I'm so confuse about it If y'all wants to call out people who works with him, do it for ALL of the artists, Doja, Dua, Katy, Ava Max ... Not only for Kim He ate my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomOfTheDance 13,795 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Free Kesha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyxGaGa 1,995 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 why do y’all get into identity politics. no one is bashes her for being a trans woman working for him it’s the idea of her making statements of “oh he is nice to me” and so on. ur creating a view of trying to lesson the over impact he has. why try to make him look good is the questionable thing. like what is the motive behind that when the world is eyeing him as a rapist and she comes in and makes a statement like that. it would have been better if she didn’t make one at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 826 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, LadyxGaGa said: why do y’all get into identity politics. no one is bashes her for being a trans woman working for him it’s the idea of her making statements of “oh he is nice to me” and so on. ur creating a view of trying to lesson the over impact he has. why try to make him look good is the questionable thing. like what is the motive behind that when the world is eyeing him as a rapist and she comes in and makes a statement like that. it would have been better if she didn’t make one at all But maybe it's the truth ? Maybe he's so nice with her ? We don't know ??? She's human, when they asked her about it what she was supposed to do ? If he's right with her ? Doja Cat now can say she doesn't wants to works with him anymore, but where was she in 2017 about the situation ? It's simple to said some things like this now she became famous lmao It's like Gaga and R Kelly back in time, he's a bad person, a rapist but her experience with him in 2013 was good ?? He ate my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyxGaGa 1,995 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Julien Mayer said: But maybe it's the truth ? Maybe he's so nice with her ? We don't know ??? She's human, when they asked her about it what she was supposed to do ? If he's right with her ? Doja Cat now can say she doesn't wants to works with him anymore, but where was she in 2017 about the situation ? It's simple to said some things like this now she became famous lmao It's like Gaga and R Kelly back in time, he's a bad person, a rapist but her experience with him in 2013 was good ?? but why need to say how nice he is when he is in the middle of a rape trial. like what is her motive behind that. it’s like the thing that people do when a victim comes out with an allegation. the “oh i could never imagine, he was always so nice to me” well that comes at an invalidating and indirect i don’t believe u cuz he was never like to me rhetoric and gaga didn’t kno it was going to escalate the way it did when it did go to trial and he got convicted what happened to all the songs she did with him. they are now off and replaced. but kim would never use her power and fame to block herself off from dr. luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainingOnMe 7,280 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Julien Mayer said: So y'all don't care about people who still works with him if they don't said anything good about him ? But Kim said her experience with him was good so y'all need to trash her ? Some artists continue to works (not closely) with his company but it's ok because they don't say anything good about him ? Well ? I'm confusion right now Again, constant deflection and whataboutism rather than addressing THIS specific issue. All Kim fans can do is deflect and call it transphobia without providing any other logical and sensical contributions to this discussion. Always been like this and will never change, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 826 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Just now, LadyxGaGa said: but why need to say how nice he is when he is in the middle of a rape trial. like what is her motive behind that. it’s like the thing that people do when a victim comes out with an allegation. the “oh i could never imagine, he was always so nice to me” well that comes at an invalidating and indirect i don’t believe u cuz he was never like to me rhetoric and gaga didn’t kno it was going to escalate the way it did when it did go to trial and he got convicted what happened to all the songs she did with him. they are now off and replaced. but kim would never use her power and fame to block herself off from dr. luke Because the question was asked ? Right ? So it needed an answer and that was her answer. About the mistake she apologize and I think we can grow, we can learn mistakes ? Can we ? We're not in her head, maybe she's a bad person, maybe she's the nicest person in the world ? We don't know her personally so why we assumed she can't grow as a human ? I'm sorry but R Kelly was accused of some things back in 2013 and before https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40635526 So ? She worked with him knowing it He ate my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 826 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, RainingOnMe said: Again, constant deflection and whataboutism rather than addressing THIS specific issue. All Kim fans can do is deflect and call it transphobia without providing any other logical and sensical contributions to this discussion. Always been like this and will never change, sadly. Lmao did I said it's transphobia ? No This is an issue, why it's always Kim who is blamed to works with him when some other artists gets nothing ? That's not fair He ate my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightadieu 4,531 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, LadyxGaGa said: why do y’all get into identity politics. no one is bashes her for being a trans woman working for him it’s the idea of her making statements of “oh he is nice to me” and so on. ur creating a view of trying to lesson the over impact he has. why try to make him look good is the questionable thing. like what is the motive behind that when the world is eyeing him as a rapist and she comes in and makes a statement like that. it would have been better if she didn’t make one at all If that’s her experience, why would she say otherwise or nothing at all? Once again, the lawsuit is about Kesha and Dr Luke and has nothing to do with Kim working with him. Also, she hast just gotten into the spotlight when she made that statement. She was a young and inexperienced artist back then that was confronted with a lot of criticism and said something that she definitely could have worded better. She said in a follow up interview that just because she has only had good experiences with him doesn’t mean someone else could have bad ones. As with Doja’s music, because of their publishing deals Like will always be credited, even if he hasn’t been involved in a project. No one knows what exactly happens behind the scenes, what their contracts look like and what they can or can’t say about him. So let Kim have her spotlight just like Doja, Saweetie, Katy, Dua, Ava and all the other pop girlies do because they have nothing to do with the legal battle between Kesha and Luke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enissa11 2,984 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Julien Mayer said: I'm sorry but R Kelly was accused of some things back in 2013 and before https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40635526 So ? She worked with him knowing it and gaga was called out for the only song they worked together, she decided to not released the music video and distance herself from him, she later apologize for it Mad Architect of Light Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 826 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, enissa11 said: and gaga was called out for the only song they worked together, she decided to not released the music video and distance herself from him, she later apologize for it Yes ... In 2019 when he was sued again She made a mistake, she has grown as a human So why other artists can't grow ? Why they can't made mistakes like Kim did when she was young ? He ate my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightadieu 4,531 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, enissa11 said: and gaga was called out for the only song they worked together, she decided to not released the music video and distance herself from him, she later apologize for it Right. People make mistakes. In Gaga’s case she wrote an extremely s*xualized song that featured an alleged r*pist and had a whole music video produced by another alleged r*pist that featured explicit scenes of r*pe. She decided to not release the music video back then, but she only removed the song five and a half years later. After it’s been charting globally and thus also causing harm to survivors. And this whole community here stanned that song and I’m pretty sure some are still salty that they can’t listen to it on streaming services anymore. We all know Gaga has been a close friend and very supportive throughout the whole lawsuit but she hasn’t taken action about DWUW until 2019, because her music has nothing to do with the whole situation just like Kim’s music doesn’t have anything to do with it. Point is: people make mistakes. Kim has said something stupid in 2018. It’s 2022 now, let that girl live and enjoy her moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enissa11 2,984 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Julien Mayer said: Yes ... In 2019 when he was sued again She made a mistake, she has grow as a human So why other artists can't grow ? Why they can't made mistakes like Kim did when she was young ? she apologized in 2019 but in 2013 she decided to not continue with the single and not release the music video and then distance from it. Because she hasn't grow yet, she continues working with him and whether she's contractually oblige or not, she still should be called out for it, like it's her sole producer, she decided to not even work with other producers too, i don't think a contract would state that she only can work with him in all tracks no additional producers, no co-producers lol Mad Architect of Light Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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