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I Saw a certified film industry worker talked about the reason why Gaga's not nominated, think I can share and you decide if it's the real reason why Gaga was snubbed.

Basically he talks about how MGM pushed too hard when promoting. To him (and other industry workers he knows), the way Gaga constantly talks about method acting and whatnot is annoying sometimes even downright assaulting.

For anyone who has been in the industry long enough, they know those things, and they don't need Gaga to act like know-it-all about it. He thinks if Gaga just focused on women tragedy or being new in the business and how thankful she is working with legendary director and actors, she should have been nominated at this point.

Other contenders were doing private events like KS, but Gaga did two covers while still talked about method acting may came across ignorant. He thinks Gaga should find a better publishers and pr manager next time to let her know what she should and shouldn't do, MGM is not a competent promoting studio.

Do you think it's true? Should Gaga find some good publicists to educate her about film promoting?

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I personally think that because of Gaga being a huge star, studios usually let her do anything she wants, so she promotes film and acting performance like it's a album promotion, but they're different. For albums Gaga often goes in depth about how she feels and what she writes, because music is very subjective, so it's important to clarify her side of story, but for films, especially acting performances, you don't need to say too much, everyone can recognize a good performance without knowing the full story.

Besides, the 100-99-1 may seems cute when you're a first-timer, people would think you're just immature and nervous, but at this point Gaga should have known better than this.

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Edited: LOL I'm not shading you but I feel like this has been the subject of several posts. 

Basically, the campaigning may have been a factor and film twitter (including some journalists) will undoubtedly push it as a factor because most of them hated her campaigning. But it clearly wasn't the main factor or else she wouldn't have been nominated for SAG/BAFTA (those nominations were long after her most "controversial" comments).

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8 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

 Outside of film twitter, most people (even the people who vote) don't really pay that much attention...I suspect many were unaware. The only quote that really caught fire and was everywhere was the nurse one and the comment about the accents...and both were before SAG/BAFTA were voted on.

Don't get me wrong, I think it could have been a factor. But considering the timing and that she made it to SAG/BAFTA "after" her most "controversial" comments...I doubt it was that big of a factor.

Edited: And while he arguably does have a point, I also think think it illustrates how bullshit the awards circuit is...men can be eccentric (Nicolas Cage) or say bad sh*t (Javier defending Woody) but a woman has to act demure and grateful and thankful. And they reward behind the scenes private parties (Gaga did none that we know of, while others did a lot) and see that as "classy" but people who do less-like Gaga-but get more media attention are "desperate".  Not to mention Benedict Cumberbatch has gone on and on about method acting this season and how he made himself sick, etc. and no one calls him a know it all.

I don't know...there's an argument to be made that she should be a bit more careful but at the same time going on and on about how grateful she is wouldn't be very "Gaga" of her and would come across fake asf.

It's very unfair but it's the business, if Gaga wants the gold, she has to play by the rules, next time Gaga should just be chill a little bit.

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LilyLark

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*I'm sure I'll get dragged for this, but I do get why the nurse comment raised some eyebrows...at the same time I think people should not drag someone for talking about mental health even if they find it kind of an odd thing to discuss in context with a role. But the rest of the comments...I really do not understand how they became "controversial"....

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Yes. Obviously.

I mean I remember thinking that with every interview, there's like 99% of well thoughout statements, and 1% of some bad takes. Detractors and stans alike focus on that 1% and sensationalize it. I still remember how Gagadaily's twitter account clipped that "drunk from prop drinks" thing and made it go viral.

But this Oscar miss is the most shocking in a very long time. JLO missed BAFTA in 2020. But Gaga is literally the only one that hit all the precursors. There's no other way to put. It was a quite brutal snub.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, GipJo said:

It's very unfair but it's the business, if Gaga wants the gold, she has to play by the rules, next time Gaga should just be chill a little bit.

I think the Benedict thing is the most annoying because he talked about method acting just as much as Gaga if not more. If Gaga said she made herself sick from smoking or refused to talk to other actors on set, I'm sure half the journalists would call her all sorts of names. And I like Benedict, so I'm not shading him....

But yeah, you're right, it is the nature of the business where men can get away with far more than women or POC. And they were even more vicious to Anne Hathaway (who did get nominated and won)....

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1 minute ago, Dennis said:

Yes. Obviously.

I mean I remember thinking that with every interview, there's like 99% of well thoughout statements, and 1% of some bad takes. Detractors and stans alike focus on that 1% and sensationalize it. I still remember how Gagadaily's twitter account clipped that "drunk from prop drinks" thing and made it go viral.

But this Oscar miss is the most shocking in a very long time. JLO missed BAFTA in 2020. But Gaga is literally the only one that hit all the precursors. There's no other way to put. It was a quite brutal snub.

 

 

 

 

Balfe hit all the precursors too, though. Yeah, it was a brutal snub but not unheard of and this was a weird year...I think the reason Gaga got more attention though than Balfe is because she's...Gaga.

Yeah it's a shame the 1% is what caught fire when 99% was fine. I still maintain though outside of the nurse comment nothing she said was that controversial or strange...most of the blowback was a massive overreaction and/or in response to stuff out of context. I know I'm repeating myself at this point lol but it does annoy me how several men this season said and (and have done bad sh*t on a personal level) and the media didn't blink an eye...or talked about method acting like Gaga and no one cared.

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1 minute ago, LilyLark said:

Balfe hit all the precursors too, though. Yeah, it was a brutal snub but not unheard of and this was a weird year...I think the reason Gaga got more attention though than Balfe is because she's...Gaga.

Yeah it's a shame the 1% is what caught fire when 99% was fine. I still maintain though outside of the nurse comment nothing she said was that controversial or strange...most of the blowback was a massive overreaction and/or in response to stuff out of context. I know I'm repeating myself at this point lol but it does annoy me how several men this season said and (and have done bad sh*t on a personal level) and the media didn't blink an eye...or talked about method acting like Gaga and no one cared.

Everyone sharpened their knives for her, even the beyoncé stans and taylor swift stans joined in.

It was pathetic. Every tweet that attacked Gaga automatically received thousands of likes. So the attention-seeking pundits started doing it more often. Even today, Erik Anderson is still doing it.

It's just sad to see. I hope that her team realizes this and works on better communication strategy next time. No point in trying to win an Oscar, if you don't have a campaign strategy. Either have one, or just sit out and let the performance speak for itself.

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First of all, um, hello Chest @GipJo :ohwell: wow

Secondly, I can totally see this. We know her intentions and that she's just being super genuine and wants people to know she isn't just some singer-turned-actress, she went to school for this and wanted to act before becoming a singer, etc 

But she can sometimes come off arrogant, showboaty, or know-it-all. Even my mom said something during her recent appearance (not the LensCrafters one, the one before, can't remember which Late Night host but it was in November right before the film released) She loves Gaga, but she even said something like, "Gosh she really does overthink everything right?"

I'm not worried though, if she can come back from the ARTPOP era, she can come back from this :huntyga:

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Well I don't know, I mean it's a very competitive year I don't think there even has to be a big reason why she didn't get nominated except that she wasn't everyone's first pick so she got bumped out

I can understand their point with talking about method acting I guess, and I've seen the same thing said by some critics on twitter. I think she can still talk that way and it would be okay but maybe just add something at the end to acknowledge, like "as many other actors have done before me" or something like that

I would be sad if she stopped talking about her process, because I love to hear about it tho

22 minutes ago, GipJo said:

she promotes film and acting performance like it's a album promotion, but they're different

This is a good point, I didn't think about that before but yeah it's very different audiences so maybe it should be a different way of promotion

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1. She played "Patritzia Reggiani", a total stranger to Hollywood unlike Lucille Ball, Princess Di, Tammy Faye. 

2. Her character is too polarizing

3. HoG is only her second leading movie but she brings acclaim and buzz as if she's already 10+ years in the movie industry. In fact, lots of hollywood legends don't even have an oscar (hello Glenn Close)

4. Even though she's respected in Hollywood, there are lots of critics who hates her (hello, Anne Thompson)

5. She hit all the precussor awards therefore lots of the AMPAS voters didn't put her on their no.1 vote because they thought she's safe. The acting branch has over 1200 voters so it needs more than 200 #1's votes for her to be nominated. 

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10 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Everyone sharpened their knives for her, even the beyoncé stans and taylor swift stans joined in.

It was pathetic. Every tweet that attacked Gaga automatically received thousands of likes. So the attention-seeking pundits started doing it more often. Even today, Erik Anderson is still doing it.

It's just sad to see. I hope that her team realizes this and works on better communication strategy next time. No point in trying to win an Oscar, if you don't have a campaign strategy. Either have one, or just sit out and let the performance speak for itself.

Ugh what did Erik say? I thought most had moved on by now....

Yeah I can understand the argument that she just pull an Olivia, Joaquin Phoenix (tho he did a bit for the Joker) or Fassbender and not play the game at all when it comes to awards season.  She could change her approach and moderate herself a tiny bit, but I suspect they would still drag her...and if she changed herself a lot she just wouldn't be Gaga and would be fake (like some are calling her). And it's a good point that pushing a music album is very different than films in some ways...

Like I said, though, I still think her campaigning was not the major reason she missed when you look at the timing of the stuff that actually became a thing outside of film twitter and the BAFTA/SAG nods.

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11 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

I think the Benedict thing is the most annoying because he talked about method acting just as much as Gaga if not more. If Gaga said she made herself sick from smoking or refused to talk to other actors on set, I'm sure half the journalists would call her all sorts of names. And I like Benedict, so I'm not shading him....

But yeah, you're right, it is the nature of the business where men can get away with far more than women or POC. And they were even more vicious to Anne Hathaway (who did get nominated and won)....

This is so true, there's so many male actors people will call "eccentric" but it's fine and people accept it because they're good actors. But when it's the same w a woman, and she doesn't fit herself into the box they want then she is dragged and ridiculed

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Idk about campaigns this and acting culture that. Imo, if an Oscar isn't given purely for how well a role is written and played, then it's worthless as a sign of someone's acting chops :laughga:

If she was snubbed because they don't like the way she explained her process or because she's already a big name in entertainment than the Oscars mean literally nothing :ohwell:

In the same way a VMA should be given for something being entertaining or a Grammy should be given for something being well crafted and intelligent. To give or not give these awards for any other reason kinda renders them pointless imo.

This is why I don't watch award shows nor care about them :ladyhaha: they don't make any damn sense :ladyhaha:

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