Florida bill that would prohibit white discomfort advances

[HuffsAhoy 7,433]

3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

We cannot sugar coat the truth after a certain age. 

I'll never forget learning about the massacre at Wounded Knee in 11th GRADE history. You read the right, a year from graduating high school and I had never heard of that horrendous day. My history teacher was one who did not shy away from sugar coating US history. All the messiness was brought up and discussed regularly in the class, and all these years later her class is still one of my favorites for it. 

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This is scary... 

[Nemo 4,411]

OMG, they're serious. I thought this would be a parody bill. They like to complain about "critical race theory", but this is always what they really mean. Can't have their precious kids feeling guilty about anything, never mind what the truth is.

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6 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said:

I'll never forget learning about the massacre at Wounded Knee in 11th GRADE history. You read the right, a year from graduating high school and I had never heard of that horrendous day. My history teacher was one who did not shy away from sugar coating US history. All the messiness was brought up and discussed regularly in the class, and all these years later her class is still one of my favorites for it. 

I'll never forget my US history teacher. The weirdo referred to everything from genocide to slavery as a "necessary evil to get to the place our great nation is now". I bet he got rock hard when he saw this headline

OT: One would think the real discomfort anyone would feel from learning about the US' blood stained history is that a lot of the negative ramifications still exist as scars on our society.

There's nothing wrong with teaching kids the objective truth that US society has always been and still is unfair to people who aren't white.

Conservatives are very, very good at deluding themselves into not only ignoring real problems but somehow finding a way to make themselves out to be the victim of a related non-issue.

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25 minutes ago, dojo said:

Edit.

Idk what type of "discomfort" they are thinking about so, i might b wrong.

If my post isn't clear and you want to discuss in private feel free to PM me and I'll explain more and edit my post if necessary  

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54 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

The thing is, the truth isn’t always comfortable. History isn’t always comfortable. 

Laws like this are designed to erase our history. There’s nothing more to it. Conservatives would love to whitewash all history because the truth about the United States and its history contradicts their American exceptionalism theory in which they base their political ideologies on at the moment. 

Agreed - that's why I said: 

Ultimately, the realities - and lessons - of the past need to be taught and brought into the light, no matter how 'hard' that might be for white people to hear.

The latter part of my post was really just trying to understand what this bill thinks it is protecting. In my opinion, I do not believe the bill is inherently racist or intends to erase black history. I think it intends to protect white people from feeling uncomfortable about that history... which is 1) ridiculous but also 2) impossible to do because of the subjective - and I guess invisible - nature of discomfort. 

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12 minutes ago, OMonster said:

The latter part of my post was really just trying to understand what this bill thinks it is protecting. In my opinion, I do not believe the bill is inherently racist or intends to erase black history. I think it intends to protect white people from feeling uncomfortable about that history... which is 1) ridiculous but also 2) impossible to do because of the subjective - and I guess invisible - nature of discomfort. 

Okay, hear me out. So why doesn't Florida pass a bill to protect Black, brown, and Asian-American students from discomfort + ignorance in schools when teaching history? Or talking about the current sociopolitical climate? Where do the marginalized students fit into this? Why does this only apply to white people? Why aren't confederate flags BANNED in the state when it causes many disenfranchised communities "discomfort?" So many questions!

Because it's a white supremacist policy; this says to communities of color that the trivial problems white people face take precedence over the problems of people of color. Thus it is inherently racist.

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56 minutes ago, RahrahWitch said:

I don't understand the logic behind this. You can't tip toe around teaching about discrimination, It's uncomfortable by nature to hear about. 

Humans have a long history of discrimination and violence, are we just supposed to not talk about these things?

That is the logic behind it. To make people shy away from any topic that might even cause discomfort. Any touchy subject about race and racism is just gonna be avoided. 

52 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said:

I'll never forget learning about the massacre at Wounded Knee in 11th GRADE history. You read the right, a year from graduating high school and I had never heard of that horrendous day. My history teacher was one who did not shy away from sugar coating US history. All the messiness was brought up and discussed regularly in the class, and all these years later her class is still one of my favorites for it. 

It was 10th grade for me. And only because they wrapped 10th and 11th grade history together as part of the AP program. So technically I was not to learn about the subject until a college curriculum. 

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24 minutes ago, OMonster said:

Agreed - that's why I said: 

Ultimately, the realities - and lessons - of the past need to be taught and brought into the light, no matter how 'hard' that might be for white people to hear.

The latter part of my post was really just trying to understand what this bill thinks it is protecting. In my opinion, I do not believe the bill is inherently racist or intends to erase black history. I think it intends to protect white people from feeling uncomfortable about that history... which is 1) ridiculous but also 2) impossible to do because of the subjective - and I guess invisible - nature of discomfort. 

Then you do not understand American conservative ideals in 2022. They are using racial tactics to garner votes. The US is a racist country and many older Americans especially still harbor some sort of racial bias and things like this are used as political ploys to make it seem like this is an issue. In reality it's only used as a tool to create anger - which we all know pushed people to vote. 

There is no honesty in this bill, in my opinion. Not reading between the lines is incredibly naive when dealing with these people. 

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3 minutes ago, djfreemymind said:

Okay, hear me out. So why doesn't Florida pass a bill to protect Black, brown, and Asian-American students from discomfort + ignorance in schools when teaching history? Or talking about the current sociopolitical climate? Where do the marginalized students fit into this? Why does this only apply to white people? Why aren't confederate flags BANNED in the state when it causes many disenfranchised communities "discomfort?" So many questions!

Because it's a white supremacist policy; this says to communities of color that the trivial problems white people face take precedence over the problems of people of color. Thus it is inherently racist.

As much as I would hate this bill to pass. I can't wait to see a white student get uncomfortable by the Confederate flag and exercise the writing of this bill. Just to backfire on the racist sponsor. 

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The American system is often unnecessary hateful towards their own people, I really don’t get it.

@SamanthaC how would this even work in practice at your school?

[PussOfYonce 3,657]

lol.

sometimes you need to be made uncomfortable, because history is just that, uncomfortable.

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1 hour ago, OMonster said:

Agreed - that's why I said: 

Ultimately, the realities - and lessons - of the past need to be taught and brought into the light, no matter how 'hard' that might be for white people to hear.

The latter part of my post was really just trying to understand what this bill thinks it is protecting. In my opinion, I do not believe the bill is inherently racist or intends to erase black history. I think it intends to protect white people from feeling uncomfortable about that history... which is 1) ridiculous but also 2) impossible to do because of the subjective - and I guess invisible - nature of discomfort. 

what do you mean isn't inherently racist 

this is probably one of the most blatantly racist bills i have ever read about and it is very clear what they are trying to accomplish here.

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39 minutes ago, Bat said:

The American system is often unnecessary hateful towards their own people, I really don’t get it.

@SamanthaC how would this even work in practice at your school?

Honestly I have no idea. We just teach the basics at the elementary level, like about segregation and slavery, but don't dig deep into it. I know that a lot of the debate with critical race theory, etc has caused some teachers to be more cautious about teaching things from history. Which is just sad. 

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3 minutes ago, PussOfYonce said:

 

what do you mean isn't inherently racist 

this is probably one of the most blatantly racist bills i have ever read about and it is very clear what they are trying to accomplish here.

I suppose Jim Crow laws weren't 'inherently racist' in the same line of thinking