Ed Sheeran says South Park ruined his life

[PhantomOfTheDance 13,795]

4 hours ago, ARTPOP said:

What is funny and unsurprising are the users that are writing essays crying “white people can be oppressed too” are the same users that are subliminal racist and minimise racism / oppression of POC. It is giving All lives matter energy. Yikes

 

On topic: kids get bullied for everything. Hair color, height, weight… but saying SP is the reason is just dumb and reaching for a reason to play as a victim after all his bad character and narcissistic behaviour.

100% agreed.

I think people can be bullied for their hair, looks, you name it. But is it along the lines of racism and system racism? No. Not one bit.

[Ladey Gaygay 9,321]

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[Suuus 5,632]

7 hours ago, Meraki said:

100% agreed.

I think people can be bullied for their hair, looks, you name it. But is it along the lines of racism and system racism? No. Not one bit.

No one said that it was but oke

[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

It's really sad that people on GGD, of all places, are prepared to minimize bullying if it involves a "lesser" reason for it or it involves a celebrity they dislike. Speaking as a British redhead myself, I can confirm that bullying can be brutal here as kids and it makes a lot of us hate our hair so much that we chemically straighten it (red hair is naturally curlier and coarser than other hair colours, we can't have naturally straight hair) and dye it to the point where you wouldn't even think we were natural redheads. I've been shocked at some people who have revealed their real hair colour because they changed their appearance so drastically to escape the bullying. So, telling us to "just dye it" is asking us to change a major part of who we are. Changing to appease the bullies is never the answer. If a black person said they were getting bullied for their natural hair, would you tell them to just straighten it and dye it? Or would you consider such a response to be racist and insensitive? No one said that any of this is comparable or worse than racial issues. We're just expressing our stories of a specific kind of bullying to do with appearance, we're not turning this into a competition.

Most of us don't even like the term "ginger" to refer to us as this was usually the word used to bully us with. It's also an inaccurate way to describe us as a group as it's a word for one specific shade of red hair, it doesn't include us all. We prefer you to call our hair the specific shade it is (auburn, strawberry blonde, etc) or the generalised term "red hair" and "redheads" to encapsulate us all. These words have no negative connotations for us but words like "ginger" do, yet not even this basic thing can't be respected when talking about us. Most non-redheads cannot understand the bullying we go, through. They can't really get their head around the idea that a hair colour can be picked on. But it's really bad for some of us. Boys get it particularly bad, though I'm unsure why this is. And what's most humiliating is the sexualised nature of some insults. My worst experience happened on a crowded bus where I couldn't move so just had to endure it and it was awful. It's a big reason why a lot of us struggle to get dates, especially when we're younger. We're seen as gross and undesirable and for many of us, this sticks.

[Future Lovers 6,979]

On 1/4/2022 at 11:18 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

If a black person said they were getting bullied for their natural hair, would you tell them to just straighten it and dye it? Or would you consider such a response to be racist and insensitive? No one said that any of this is comparable or worse than racial issues. We're just expressing our stories of a specific kind of bullying to do with appearance, we're not turning this into a competition.

Okay girl I'm not gonna say that people with red hair don't get unnecessarily dunked on sometimes because they do but come on now. 

You cannot seriously think this comparison is apt. How can you say what you said in bold and then in the next sentence say "we're not comparing" when that's...exactly what you're doing? I am sorry if you have ever faced bullying in your life because your hair is red, I am. But you are not going to sit here and even vaguely hint at equating that experience to what black men and especially black women have had to endure when it comes to their hair. 

The conversation and debate surrounding their hair has been a part of the systematic oppression they have faced for centuries. Your red hair has not been used that way. You have not been oppressed because of your red hair. Not once. Ever. And don't say "I was bullied" because yes you were bullied, not oppressed.

If you're not trying to make it a competition then don't bring up the black hair conversation at all, simply share your story and go. 

Gingers are not oppressed, stop pretending y'all are. 

[Ronlop 6,882]

On 1/5/2022 at 6:18 AM, StrawberryBlond said:

It's really sad that people on GGD, of all places, are prepared to minimize bullying if it involves a "lesser" reason for it or it involves a celebrity they dislike. Speaking as a British redhead myself, I can confirm that bullying can be brutal here as kids and it makes a lot of us hate our hair so much that we chemically straighten it (red hair is naturally curlier and coarser than other hair colours, we can't have naturally straight hair) and dye it to the point where you wouldn't even think we were natural redheads. I've been shocked at some people who have revealed their real hair colour because they changed their appearance so drastically to escape the bullying. So, telling us to "just dye it" is asking us to change a major part of who we are. Changing to appease the bullies is never the answer. If a black person said they were getting bullied for their natural hair, would you tell them to just straighten it and dye it? Or would you consider such a response to be racist and insensitive? No one said that any of this is comparable or worse than racial issues. We're just expressing our stories of a specific kind of bullying to do with appearance, we're not turning this into a competition.

I know it's not the topic on hand and I'm not dismissing your personal struggles with being a British redhead but I've read some of your posts and you seem to always compare black people with white people problems. And you say it's not a competition but you've done it quite a lot so it kind of feels like you are looking at it in a competitive nature. It kind of feels like you are trying to say white people are as oppressed and are being paid dust, which is pretty problematic. 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

12 hours ago, No Way Home said:

Okay girl I'm not gonna say that people with red hair don't get unnecessarily dunked on sometimes because they do but come on now. 

You cannot seriously think this comparison is apt. How can you say what you said in bold and then in the next sentence say "we're not comparing" when that's...exactly what you're doing? I am sorry if you have ever faced bullying in your life because your hair is red, I am. But you are not going to sit here and even vaguely hint at equating that experience to what black men and especially black women have had to endure when it comes to their hair. 

The conversation and debate surrounding their hair has been a part of the systematic oppression they have faced for centuries. Your red hair has not been used that way. You have not been oppressed because of your red hair. Not once. Ever. And don't say "I was bullied" because yes you were bullied, not oppressed.

If you're not trying to make it a competition then don't bring up the black hair conversation at all, simply share your story and go. 

Gingers are not oppressed, stop pretending y'all are. 

I'm confused as to why you're quoting me after all this time but ok.

What I said wasn't meant to be a comparison. I was merely asking for consistency. If you believe that it is wrong to tell someone to change something about themselves in order to stop being bullied, then you should extend that wisdom to all people. If you think it's wrong when it happens to black people, you should think it's wrong when it happens to everyone. Just because struggles happen at different degrees doesn't mean the lesser struggles aren't worth talking about.

For what it's worth, red hair has been demonised for centuries as well. Ancient Egyptian men with red hair were burned and sacrificed for a god, philosopher Aristotle famously wrote that "those with reddish hair are of bad character," redheads were assumed to be witches or even vampires in medieval Europe and were burned at the stake and there was even a law in medieval Italy putting a ban on marriage to red haired women and its sometimes been suggested that dislike of red hair in Britain arose from dislike of the Irish who were deemed to be natural redheads. Though nothing like that happens today, of course, I'm just providing a history lesson. I never said to be redhaired was to be oppressed, you've just completely assumed that.

The only reason I even brought up race at all was because others had brought it up previously and I wanted to set the record straight. And also because, so often when our struggle is mentioned, one of the first responses we get is along the lines of "Are you comparing this to racism? Because it's nothing like that and it's not as bad as racism, so you have nothing to complain about," being convinced that we're looking to undeservedly victimise ourselves. This is what you did by assuming I was claiming to be oppressed and wanting to instill in me that this is not the case. If you truly respected what I went through, you would just read my story, accept what I had to say and move on. If someone has been through a bad experience, listen to them, believe them, respect them and don't tell them how they should and shouldn't feel about what they've gone through. I thought that was widely regarded as the correct way to deal with things.

Once again, I never claimed to be oppressed. I'm just telling my story and how frustrated I am that not everyone respects it and still thinks it's worthy of ridicule, that's all. And did you even read the full post I wrote? Because in my second paragraph, I stated that many of us don't like to be called gingers because that is a word that has repeatedly been used in a malicious way to bully us. It's the lack of basic pieces of courtesy like that are rightfully irritate us, yet you just used it so casually at the tail end of what you said like it was nothing.

12 hours ago, Ronlop said:

I know it's not the topic on hand and I'm not dismissing your personal struggles with being a British redhead but I've read some of your posts and you seem to always compare black people with white people problems. And you say it's not a competition but you've done it quite a lot so it kind of feels like you are looking at it in a competitive nature. It kind of feels like you are trying to say white people are as oppressed and are being paid dust, which is pretty problematic.

Refer to the above posts for clarification on a lot of this so I don't have to repeat myself. I really don't know where you've found these old posts you speak of as I've made a point of refusing to talk about racial issues for quite some time now, as things frequently get so controversial and wind up in arguments, even though my intentions are pure. I don't know where people are still finding stuff like this about me after all this time. To be clear, I don't believe white people are oppressed or have similar issues related to race like black people have. All I'm requesting is that the same treatment is extended to all when it comes to listening to people's struggles. Black people's issues deserve to get listened to, but there many other issues that are also worth listening to and all human social issues deserve to be listened to and respected. And certainly in situations like this topic, race never had to be brought up, yet it did. Saying one struggle isn't as bad as another struggle isn't the way to solve problems. If more struggles got respected, there would be far greater levels of understanding between us all.

[Ronlop 6,882]

8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Refer to the above posts for clarification on a lot of this so I don't have to repeat myself. I really don't know where you've found these old posts you speak of as I've made a point of refusing to talk about racial issues for quite some time now, as things frequently get so controversial and wind up in arguments, even though my intentions are pure. I don't know where people are still finding stuff like this about me after all this time. To be clear, I don't believe white people are oppressed or have similar issues related to race like black people have. All I'm requesting is that the same treatment is extended to all when it comes to listening to people's struggles. Black people's issues deserve to get listened to, but there many other issues that are also worth listening to and all human social issues deserve to be listened to and respected. And certainly in situations like this topic, race never had to be brought up, yet it did. Saying one struggle isn't as bad as another struggle isn't the way to solve problems. If more struggles got respected, there would be far greater levels of understanding between us all.

 

Just trying to show you how you come across and it often seems very pointed towards comparing your experiences as a white woman or white people in general to the oppression of black people. Not saying that's what you intend to do or what you believe in but you've made quite infuriating and ignorant posts such as: "When white people get shot by cops, nobody says anything. But when a black person is shot by a cop, it's assumed to be racism" or calling for "redhead representation" or having this odd problem with Beyonce's success and power (???).

It kinda often goes back to that with your posts and I have no clue why but I hope you will understand that it eventually just detracts from what you're trying to say. 

It feels like you think you're being silenced from speaking about your problems as a white person but no one is dismissing your struggles or saying they should be ignored. But you don't always have to add and compare to that "But if a black person...", it's not right to do that.

Spoiler

Black people's issues deserve to get listened to, but there many other issues that are also worth listening to and all human social issues deserve to be listened to and respected.

There is no denying that all human social issues should get a spotlight but the reality is that it's a black person that needs to fear of getting shot by cops solely for being black and not a redhead white person. It's a black person that needs to fear of institutional racism and not a redhead white person. So putting the two in the same argument is just troubling and nonsensical to me. 

Spoiler

Just because struggles happen at different degrees doesn't mean the lesser struggles aren't worth talking about.

No one is saying that they're not worth talking about but the severity does matter. When there's something that is such an historically heavy topic such as the racism against black people, why would you even bring that up in a post about what you went through as a redhead? Don't you see how that can be unsettling?

There's nothing wrong with you wanting to express the struggles you went through with bullying but don't put that and oppression on the same level and I know you're saying that you're not comparing but when you're asking for "consistency", that's basically what you're doing. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

@Ronlop I don't know why you felt the need to list so many of my old posts like this. This is overly intrusive and I thought days of people doing things like this to me were over. You're not the first person who has composed somewhat of a dossier on things I have previously said and it's unsettling, to say the least. You'll notice that some of those threads and posts are from literally years ago, as far back as 2015. Is it really necessary to pull up every little thing someone's ever said and hold them accountable to it all this time later? Naturally, I had no ill intent in any of those posts, and some of them didn't even garner controversy. I don't even know how people find this stuff on me. Do they type in my username followed by "race" or "black" and see what comes up? Please don't turn this into a weird obsession like others have done. I want those days left in the past.

I don't even know if you realise this but I'm the user you asked to do all those album reviews for you way back in 2016 for that game you set up. The one where members submit original lyrics for their favourite artists? I know we haven't spoken since then, but nevertheless, I thought you'd remember me and that you thought of me on good terms. So, I don't know why you've come out the blue saying all this stuff, as if you're trying to expose me.

Consistency flows through all things in life. I'm not a fan of double standards. If you think it's unacceptable to treat someone in a certain way, this should apply to all. As I said previously, the only reason I even felt the need to bring up race was because previous members already had and I thought it was just as unnecessary as you do. I barely said anything about race bar the fact that if it's unacceptable to pick on one type of person for their hair, it should be unacceptable to pick on all people for their hair. That's all I meant, it really doesn't go any deeper than that. Believe me, I'm not a fan of unnecessary victimisation and maybe it doesn't show but I do feel weird whenever I bring up redhead bullying because I wonder if it all sounds frivolous to others, which is proved when stuff like this happens. This is all I want to say on the matter. I no longer want to drive myself crazy defending myself to people online who don't even know me. I know myself and the people who are close to me also know me and know that my intentions are good and that's all that matters. This thread has been thoroughly derailed because of unnecessary interpretations and it really shouldn't have happened.

[Ronlop 6,882]

5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

@Ronlop I don't know why you felt the need to list so many of my old posts like this. This is overly intrusive and I thought days of people doing things like this to me were over. You're not the first person who has composed somewhat of a dossier on things I have previously said and it's unsettling, to say the least. You'll notice that some of those threads and posts are from literally years ago, as far back as 2015. Is it really necessary to pull up every little thing someone's ever said and hold them accountable to it all this time later? Naturally, I had no ill intent in any of those posts, and some of them didn't even garner controversy. I don't even know how people find this stuff on me. Do they type in my username followed by "race" or "black" and see what comes up? Please don't turn this into a weird obsession like others have done. I want those days left in the past.

I don't even know if you realise this but I'm the user you asked to do all those album reviews for you way back in 2016 for that game you set up. The one where members submit original lyrics for their favourite artists? I know we haven't spoken since then, but nevertheless, I thought you'd remember me and that you thought of me on good terms. So, I don't know why you've come out the blue saying all this stuff, as if you're trying to expose me.

Consistency flows through all things in life. I'm not a fan of double standards. If you think it's unacceptable to treat someone in a certain way, this should apply to all. As I said previously, the only reason I even felt the need to bring up race was because previous members already had and I thought it was just as unnecessary as you do. I barely said anything about race bar the fact that if it's unacceptable to pick on one type of person for their hair, it should be unacceptable to pick on all people for their hair. That's all I meant, it really doesn't go any deeper than that. Believe me, I'm not a fan of unnecessary victimisation and maybe it doesn't show but I do feel weird whenever I bring up redhead bullying because I wonder if it all sounds frivolous to others, which is proved when stuff like this happens. This is all I want to say on the matter. I no longer want to drive myself crazy defending myself to people online who don't even know me. I know myself and the people who are close to me also know me and know that my intentions are good and that's all that matters. This thread has been thoroughly derailed because of unnecessary interpretations and it really shouldn't have happened.

Wasn't my intention to be overly intrusive so sorry if you felt that way, you just said you don't know what posts I'm talking about so I posted them here, that's all.

And yes, I'm well aware and am still thankful for all your help during that time. And I only commented on this post because I saw you're continuing to do these comparisons which I don't even if you're aware of how it comes across.