What’s your Gaga hill that you’ll die on?

[LilyLark 9,928]

12 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

Joanne is her most mediocre album with almost no replay value and has aged horribly 

 

 

LOL I actually think it has some of her strongest song writing even if it's not very cohesive. It's my third favorite album of hers, behind BTW and Chromatica.

[pussycat 3,513]

Most of Chromatica's songs are uninspired, lack depth, have dated production and lack passion. There's no statement or bold choice that makes it a Gaga album. Too many choices were made for her - and it shows. The concept tho is fantastic.

[Kitsch 499]

DWUW is still a good song, and LG should’ve replaced it with a solo version. However, I’m still pressed that she recorded it in general with R. Kelly. Chromatica is her best album to date and it’s a shame that COVID wrecked the era. Based on the information that we had, it would’ve been an iconic era. ARTPOP has had some cute songs which I’ve streamed the hell out, but generally the album doesn’t close to the superiority of Chromatica. I barely listen to the BTW album (hell, I don’t even listen to the title track anymore). I wish LG re-recorded the title track so that it would fit into a new generation and be more inclusive. And to wrap it up, Cheek to Cheek is better than Love For Sale but I will love LG’s and TB’s collaborations because it made me realise how beautiful Jazz music can be.

[LilyLark 9,928]

*Chromatica is one of her best albums and has aged well over the past year and a half.  It's not innovative like some of her past work-it leans heavily into the French house 90s vibe-but that doesn't detract from it being a quality album. And tbf 911 is innovative. There are only 1-2 weak tracks, and even then they aren't terrible. I

*Replay is one of Gaga's best songs.

*I understand why a lot of people dislike the production on 911, but it's one of her most interesting tracks. It reminds me of why I like Gaga so much—I can't imagine another singer creating or singing the song.

*911 is Gaga's best music video.

*Joanne is a good album and has some of her strongest songwriting.

*BTW is Gaga's best album.

*ARTPOP is kind of a mess. I appreciate it for not being cookie cutter, taking risks, etc. ...and there are some truly great tracks...but it's not a great album. Still, to Gaga's credit...it is not a boring album. I'd rather listen to a messy, imperfect album versus a good but boring album.

*Electropop and dancepop is very ageist. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga leaned more into tracks like 911 (e.g leaned into less mainstream friendly pop) or did pop which appealed to the general public (a la ASIB, Speechless, You and I) in the future versus creating songs like Sour Candy or ROM.

*Fans both overestimate and underestimate Gaga's selling power. She's clearly not the top pop girl, but look at her opening week numbers for Chromatica versus a lot of the mainstream girls who get far more press...and you'd be surprised to see that she outsells them by 2-3x as much. Her albums would have more staying power if Interscope threw more money around to get her on some more playlists, etc.

*Just because Gaga doesn't heavily promote doesn't mean she dislikes music. Ariana, Beyonce, etc. have all sort of taken a step back. Gaga arguably did more for Chromatica than Ari did for Positions. I think she's just kind of over the entertainment media...and probably didn't want to do much in the COVID era.

[Head Empty 24,317]

11 hours ago, PartySick said:

✅ Dope is CRIMINALLY underrated. Like, get some f*cking taste, little anti-Dopesters. Y'all will sit right there and say with a straight face "eww Dope is awful" then start a fire from y'alls dry thighs rubbing together to the beat of

Yes yes YES

11 hours ago, PartySick said:

that atrocious Sine From Above remix

NO 

[SharkmanthaC 111,663]

34 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

Joanne is her most mediocre album with almost no replay value and has aged horribly 

 

 

You remember me saying we were keeping you around? @PartySick is probably getting ready to push that ban button. 

[LilyLark 9,928]

4 minutes ago, Kitsch said:

DWUW is still a good song, and LG should’ve replaced it with a solo version. However, I’m still pressed that she recorded it in general with R. Kelly.

I'm not excusing Gaga-I dragged her hard at the time, on my old account, for working with R Kelly. But I do find it kind of fascinating how the media has sort of rewritten history (at least imo). He was getting invited and sitting in the front row of major awards shows...working with people like Justin Bieber and Nicki. I remember Rob Pattinson made some joke about his sex tape on some late night show.  There were some pics of Rihanna hanging out with him and rumors of them working on music together around the time ARTPOP dropped.

Again, this is how I perceived it-and I could be wrong-but large swaths of the media made it out like an overzealous prosecutor tried to harm him for getting with barely legal girls and were going after him for being a successful Black man. I believe one of his victims recanted, and was legal at the time or claimed he thought she was legal, and people with ties to Aayliah were claiming the marriage never happened.

I always thought he was a monster-and a lot of other people did too—but the idea that everyone knew or the media/celebrity world was shunning him when Gaga worked with him...nah.

[LilyLark 9,928]

16 minutes ago, pussycat said:

Most of Chromatica's songs are uninspired, lack depth, have dated production and lack passion. There's no statement or bold choice that makes it a Gaga album. Too many choices were made for her - and it shows. The concept tho is fantastic.

I sort of thought the production was a deliberate choice to tie back to French 90s house. IDK, it's one of my favorite Gaga albums and I do think it has some production issues but I also thought the 'dated' sound was a choice.

[Pennywise 35,841]

9 minutes ago, SamanthaC said:

You remember me saying we were keeping you around? @PartySick is probably getting ready to push that ban button. 

let's go girls 

[weed 71,421]

Aura is 100% one of her best songs ever, released as the lead single it would have changed the entire trajectory of ARTPOP and maybe her career.

[StressedOut 617]

A lot of yall are too attached to BTW since it kicked yall out the closet, and tout it as her best album when there's so much filler and the production leaves something to be desired on non-single tracks

Chromatica and ARTPOP are her best produced albums

Joanne is pretty good

[Pussy Like Pepsi 238]

1 hour ago, LilyLark said:

*Chromatica is one of her best albums and has aged well over the past year and a half.  It's not innovative like some of her past work-it leans heavily into the French house 90s vibe-but that doesn't detract from it being a quality album. And tbf 911 is innovative. There are only 1-2 weak tracks, and even then they aren't terrible. I

*Replay is one of Gaga's best songs.

*I understand why a lot of people dislike the production on 911, but it's one of her most interesting tracks. It reminds me of why I like Gaga so much—I can't imagine another singer creating or singing the song.

*911 is Gaga's best music video.

*Joanne is a good album and has some of her strongest songwriting.

*BTW is Gaga's best album.

*ARTPOP is kind of a mess. I appreciate it for not being cookie cutter, taking risks, etc. ...and there are some truly great tracks...but it's not a great album. Still, to Gaga's credit...it is not a boring album. I'd rather listen to a messy, imperfect album versus a good but boring album.

*Electropop and dancepop is very ageist. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga leaned more into tracks like 911 (e.g leaned into less mainstream friendly pop) or did pop which appealed to the general public (a la ASIB, Speechless, You and I) in the future versus creating songs like Sour Candy or ROM.

*Fans both overestimate and underestimate Gaga's selling power. She's clearly not the top pop girl, but look at her opening week numbers for Chromatica versus a lot of the mainstream girls who get far more press...and you'd be surprised to see that she outsells them by 2-3x as much. Her albums would have more staying power if Interscope threw more money around to get her on some more playlists, etc.

*Just because Gaga doesn't heavily promote doesn't mean she dislikes music. Ariana, Beyonce, etc. have all sort of taken a step back. Gaga arguably did more for Chromatica than Ari did for Positions. I think she's just kind of over the entertainment media...and probably didn't want to do much in the COVID era.

I will never understand the love for Replay. I think it's one of her weakest songs ever. 

[Blackout19 10,585]

Rain On Me is her best song, close to Free Woman

Chromatica is her best album

 

[Hyoha 1,610]

Gaga shouldn't have dropped Joseph Kahn for TEOG music video. The one we got sucks.

[Delulu Rogers 6,961]

6 hours ago, enissa11 said:

 

could you elaborate please? in my mind it was mostly because her label contradict gaga's preferences and vision everytime regarding the execution of the roll out, like for example her wanting aura as the lead and the label forcing applause, and then gaga wanting venus as the second single and the label forcing do what u want etc etc, also the betrayal of some people in her team that were just after the money and also her manager, i think it wasn't her fault at all and if she could've avoided those things she undoubtedly would've made something

A lot of that stuff happened behind the scenes that the fans and gp were mainly unaware of. 

Gaga was the one that hyped up the album too much and over promised. She also was the one that made the meaning too confusing for everyone to understand when it’s actually very easy to explain. Nobody knew what she was talking about and it made her sound very confused and odd. This led to the fans being disappointed and the gp unable to relate to the album at all. 

It was also her decision to add R Kelly to the album which IMO is what truly sank ARTPOP because otherwise we would’ve had a proper second single that was a huge hit that would’ve allowed the era to continue.

She was also just very messy throughout the whole thing. For example, I remember her posting multiple polls for fans to chose the next single but neither of those options ever became singles. Like with other eras, there were tons of broken promises that affected the perception of the era.

Many ppl say that gaga wasn’t allowed to execute her own vison for the album etc when in reality I don’t think that was the case. For example, we found out last year that the label hated J&D and wanted it off but gaga kept it on. J&D is now notorious for being her worst song. She was also changing the track list just weeks before the albums release, and was also openly insulting the critics and industry in general, something I’m sure the label wasn’t a fan off. 

The only thing we know the label changed was aura not being the lead single, which, to be honest, would’ve been a horrible decision anyways cause I think it would have bombed. I guess at some point they had to put their foot down and aura was the time to do it. 
 

I also don’t think the label forced applause. She said in gaga radio that the moment she heard applause she wanted it as the lead and switched it from Sex dreams. However this statement contradicts what she said back in 2013 when she said she didn’t even want applause on the track list and it was Jimmy that convinced her otherwise. I’m other words, gaga continues to be messy and contradicting when it comes to discussing ARTPOP lol