Billie Eilish opens up about p0rn addiction

[RenegAde 19,471]

1 hour ago, NATAH said:

yes... the overcomsumption of p*rn... and how it negatively affects a person? what's not clicking bestie lmao

Saying that the overconsumption of **** is negative is completely different from saying **** is in itself completely negative, what's not clicking ?

[Ziggy 11,920]

8 hours ago, GipJo said:

This is so dumb a argument, it's like game addiction debate all over again.

It's not ****/game's fault that you don't know how to control yourself or necessary sex knowledge, it's like blaming violence in films for "corrupting" children into doing bad stuff, parents and schools should educate them better.

Read between the lines, she's talking about the misogyny in ****, the culture around it and how it affects women. This is far from the game debate lol it is well known that there is a hyper misogynistic culture in ****. She's saying being exposed to that as a young girl made her vulnerable to abuse and exploitation. 

[Stephen 30,431]

14 hours ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

You know, I don't always agree with your posts but you really brought up some insightful points and I 100% agree. The pendulum has swung too far and it needs to be closer to center. Everything in moderation...balance in all things. 

Omg  I can't recall what you've disagreed with in the past but thanks! 

[nATAH 50,141]

7 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Saying that the overconsumption of **** is negative is completely different from saying **** is in itself completely negative, what's not clicking ?

are you just purposely misreading everything or what? 

[RenegAde 19,471]

13 minutes ago, NATAH said:

are you just purposely misreading everything or what? 

You're purposely refusing to understand the error in your statement 

[nATAH 50,141]

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

You're purposely refusing to understand the error in your statement 

no that's you bestie

[enissa11 2,984]

16 hours ago, Supersonic said:

I agree with her that p0rn can be incredibly damaging, especially for women. But that's not the inhearant nature of p0rnography. The p0rnography our culture produces is a reflection of what is going on in our society at large and what we expect sex to be like. It's more a symptom of what's wrong, and not the actual problem. All the things that people say are bad about p0rn mirror the problems women especially face anyway in their everyday life: violence, disregard of consent, exploitation, emotional manipulation, unrealistic body standards, degradation.

The problem at root is rampant misogyny, hypersexualisation of female bodies in the media and pop culture, while at the same time sex education in the USA being non-existant (only 18 states in the US require their sex ed to be "medically accurate" and of those states more than half say sex ed is not mandatory). That's breeding ground for body image issues, misinformation, miseducation and p0rn addictions.

Abolishing p0rn, making it less accessible or shaming people who consume or participate in it, is not gonna help the problem. Even if you say you were "hurt by p0rn". Because in the end... you were hurt by the system you grew up in that told you both to be dirty sl*t and that you're worthless if you are dirty sl*t. A system that refused to give you proper tools to deal with an inevitable part of your existance, your sexuality.

basically this, people think billie has such mature viewpoints, but these statements are very reductive and it isn't actually the root problem, p0rn is not inherently bad at all, it's just the misogynistic industry that runs most part of it, but there's actually a lot of interesting, innovative and good **** studios, producers and directors that have dissident takes on it with a lot of diversity, it's just matter of searching for something other than the first accesible material that shows up.

This viewpoint only increases the stigma that already exists around watching **** as something unhealthy, wicked and disgusting

[enissa11 2,984]

3 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Read between the lines, she's talking about the misogyny in ****, the culture around it and how it affects women. This is far from the game debate lol it is well known that there is a hyper misogynistic culture in ****. She's saying being exposed to that as a young girl made her vulnerable to abuse and exploitation. 

there's nothing between lines, that's the problem, she says "p0rn is a disgrace" and says that is bad, no, **** is not the problem and saying that just increases the stigma, yes most **** is misogynistic, but it's just a reflection of what culture we live in, can't we live in society because it is misogynistic? just like in any other area of life there's dissident things we can find, and p0rn is no exception.

[Wolf 1,328]

4 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Agreed! I think she's talking more about the culture at-large that exists around ****, though, especially as it relates to young women vs what we're talking about which is more of an ideal scenario type thing. Either way, I commend her for speaking her mind so cogently and being open and firm in her stance on a pervasive preying culture.

I think what you and I are about is what she would ideally wish **** would go and is a remedy to many of the problems she is talking about.

Yeah, and a lot of people in this thread thinking that **** altogether is bad might feed into the notion that sensuality and sex positivity is a bad thing as well--at least that's how I imagine it would give an impression to others, especially younger people. Sex is so beautiful, but the male gaze just ruined it so much I guess.

[Ziggy 11,920]

1 hour ago, enissa11 said:

there's nothing between lines, that's the problem, she says "p0rn is a disgrace" and says that is bad, no, **** is not the problem and saying that just increases the stigma, yes most **** is misogynistic, but it's just a reflection of what culture we live in, can't we live in society because it is misogynistic? just like in any other area of life there's dissident things we can find, and p0rn is no exception.

Yeah and the between the lines is where that statement is coming from. It’s dismissive to say “yes most is misogynistic BUT!” when that is an incredibly crucial point to what she’s saying. She’s saying it’s disgraceful but the broader point is quite clearly talking about the toxicity of the culture around ****ography at large. Not just **** the thing itself. As a woman, that is her concern and, frankly, is a LOT of women’s concerns. Dismissing it as some minor aside is completely beside the point and is why so many people feel uncomfortable expressing these discomforts they have with the culture. She’s not out here condemning sex or sexuality, she’s condemning much of the culture around it which, frankly, is male-centric in the US and many other places. Saying “well it’s a reflection of society” is basically the point she’s making and that you’re disregarding. Yes. ****, or popular **** which is what she’s speaking to, in its current form is largely a reflection of a chauvinistic society. That isn’t a concern to cast off. A productive means of engaging with this would be “****, why would a young girl be so uncomfortable with ****?”, inspect that, and then acknowledge that there’s something seriously wrong. Picking at the semantics of her statement diverts attention away from the actual point at hand.

[Fantina 3,360]

I agree with her and I am kinda shook that she decided to speak on this topic. **** is misogynistic, it can get pretty disgusting and it isn't diverse. BUT I do think that the **** available to us is just a reflection of our society. Attacking the industries isn't going to achieve anything imo. You made one industry admit they are being misogynistic and lacking in diversity? Great! they will start producing better stuff that no one is going to watch since they will just switch to a different network. You see this all of the time in gay ****. They cast one conventionally non attractive dude? People will seethe with rage why he was cast and not a buff DL top jock daddy. 

The key is proper education. Make sex less of a taboo. Teach kids about misogyny in media and maybe next generations will force the industries to produce less hardcore versions. 

[Bling 31,453]

5 hours ago, Stephen said:

Omg  I can't recall what you've disagreed with in the past but thanks! 

Oh idk I could be wrong maybe it's someone with an avi similar to yours. At any rate, kudos!

[Bling 31,453]

5 hours ago, NATAH said:

are you just purposely misreading everything or what? 

[Bling 31,453]

I think what's not being said here for everyone defending ****, and don't get me wrong - yes, i watch ****, is that the SCIENCE says it's addictive and our brains respond the same way to **** as it does other addictive substances. 

It messes with the dopamine receptors (the "feel good" chemical in your brain). It's HIGHLY unlikely that people will click on one video, watch that video, and move on to something else in their life. Most people go from video to video to video, which is why the narrative is that **** negatively impacts the brain. It's science. There's no debate really...

[Kattys 4,319]

16 hours ago, GipJo said:

This is so dumb a argument, it's like game addiction debate all over again.

It's not ****/game's fault that you don't know how to control yourself or necessary sex knowledge, it's like blaming violence in films for "corrupting" children into doing bad stuff, parents and schools should educate them better.

No. it's completely different thing. Because sexuality is integral part to our existence - playing games isn't. So if you mess up this part of life it can bring a lot of trouble in all areas of life - especially relationships with other people which are key. Sexuality is very important.