HoG Director Ridley Scott bashes superhero movies

[Eido 3,676]

15 hours ago, Reality said:

I will never understand elitist attitude when it comes to art. Like, judging by my avi and signature, y'all know that I'm a fan of comic book movies, so I will defend them, but I think this conversation extends beyond that. When it comes to music, visual arts, movies, literature, etc., etc., there has always been this elitist attitude of the old guard trying to gatekeep what "is" or "isn't" art. If super hero movies aren't your thing, then that's totally fine, but I think this mindset of trying to invalidate these kinds of movies is so weird.

Like, people talk about "Oh, comic book films are so predictable and they're always the same" and then you go to old-school mafia movies or westerns as if they're also not "predictable" or "always the same"?? Yet those movies are herald as untouchable?? It's always this cycle of bashing the new and praising the old or praising something that you, personally, are fond of while trying to invalidate everything else.

Anyways, producers would kill to have a career like Feige's  

Also, don't come for super hero movies being "boring" or "formulaic" when 90% of y'all are like "OMG GAGA DO AN ELECTRONIC/DANCE POP ALBUM FOR LG6,7,8,9,10,11,12...!!". People like what they like and that's why franchises like the MCU are so consistent. Btw, it's partly why Eternals got bashed by critics and (some) of the general audience. Y'all want them to do something new, but when they do, y'all trash them for it because "Oh, they're trying to hard," "It's too pretentious," "They should stick to their own lane," etc.

Also, a LOT of people who bashes other genre of movies tend to not respect the huge amount of work it represents.

And I hate that. It's ok to not like something. But don't say it's bs because it doesn't fit your vision of what art should be. There are a lot more art and work behind a blockbuster than behind a movie like HoG. And I'm only talking about post prod here. 

So at least, people should respect the crew and the work.

[LilyLark 10,107]

9 minutes ago, Eido said:

Also, a LOT of people who bashes other genre of movies tend to not respect the huge amount of work it represents.

And I hate that. It's ok to not like something. But don't say it's bs because it doesn't fit your vision of what art should be. There are a lot more art and work behind a blockbuster than behind a movie like HoG. And I'm only talking about post prod here. 

So at least, people should respect the crew and the work.

Very valid point that it does seem disrespectful to all the people who work on the film. It's one thing to be critical, another to be so dismissive of it all.

And I do think making sweeping generalizations is not great. As I've said, I like superhero movies & TV...but I also find some of them predictable. There are defn. ones that break outside that box, though (Nolan's trilogy, Wandavision, etc.).

[DoremonLove 8,147]

Last superhero movie i watched was spiderman,

the new one not the classic one.

Hes right 100% but can he not bring negaitvity now when we need HOG to have good press

[YUJIfushiguro 224]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqqft2x_Aa4

Tell me this is gonna be boring B1tch i facking DAAAAAAARE YOU

[YUJIfushiguro 224]

16 hours ago, Reality said:

I will never understand elitist attitude when it comes to art. Like, judging by my avi and signature, y'all know that I'm a fan of comic book movies, so I will defend them, but I think this conversation extends beyond that. When it comes to music, visual arts, movies, literature, etc., etc., there has always been this elitist attitude of the old guard trying to gatekeep what "is" or "isn't" art. If super hero movies aren't your thing, then that's totally fine, but I think this mindset of trying to invalidate these kinds of movies is so weird.

Like, people talk about "Oh, comic book films are so predictable and they're always the same" and then you go to old-school mafia movies or westerns as if they're also not "predictable" or "always the same"?? Yet those movies are herald as untouchable?? It's always this cycle of bashing the new and praising the old or praising something that you, personally, are fond of while trying to invalidate everything else.

Anyways, producers would kill to have a career like Feige's  

Also, don't come for super hero movies being "boring" or "formulaic" when 90% of y'all are like "OMG GAGA DO AN ELECTRONIC/DANCE POP ALBUM FOR LG6,7,8,9,10,11,12...!!". People like what they like and that's why franchises like the MCU are so consistent. Btw, it's partly why Eternals got bashed by critics and (some) of the general audience. Y'all want them to do something new, but when they do, y'all trash them for it because "Oh, they're trying to hard," "It's too pretentious," "They should stick to their own lane," etc.

THIS. I think its just ppl being pretentious and wanting to act like their taste has some superior high ground. you can have a opinion but if ur gonna share them publically atleast try to be abit impartial and respectful smh.

[Queen Bitch 10,513]

[Dojo 19,371]

3 hours ago, Eido said:

There are a lot more art and work behind a blockbuster than behind a movie like HoG. And I'm only talking about post prod here. 

Eh i'm sorry but ART is subjective and you are getting it all wrong. 

How is there more art in a blockbuster than in a movie "like HOG"?  That doesn't even make sense. 

Also he is talking about the script of these movies and he isn't wrong. 

[PlastiscGuy 21,221]

5 hours ago, LilyLark said:

I fall in the middle....

I feel like one can love superhero movies and at the same time recognize they often (not always) follow a very routine formula. In that sense, I can understand why some directors dislike superhero films because they might prefer failing rather than producing something predictable. But at the same time, predictable doesn't mean bad.

TLDR: I love a lot of Marvel films and DCEU films, but I sort of understand where directors come from...especially as studios are very hesitant to greenlight big budget films that aren't superhero films anymore.

I mean, but don't they all movies?

[ShayCristoforo 10,607]

I would agree, but then you get stuff like Watchmen and Black Panther.
Those scripts have substance- but I do agree with him on most other ones lol  

[Butters Stotch 5,364]

22 hours ago, PlastiscGuy said:

I wonder if some of y'all would still agree if Gaga had ever accepted to star in any Marvel movie like she was rumored to...

This was actually one of my biggest fears. I've talked so much sh*t about superhero movies, and if Gaga was involved in any of this movies I would've had to eat my words and watch all of that mess so I could understand everything in order to see Gaga 

[Eido 3,676]

6 hours ago, dojo said:

Eh i'm sorry but ART is subjective and you are getting it all wrong. 

How is there more art in a blockbuster than in a movie "like HOG"?  That doesn't even make sense. 

Also he is talking about the script of these movies and he isn't wrong. 

As I said

Only talking about post prod here

 

[djBuffoon 12,123]

On 11/14/2021 at 10:32 AM, RenegAde said:

I don't like when people in the industry talk about their peers work like this for no reason. and he also has some questionable movies under his belt too so he's not one to talk 

This. We all remember Kingdom of Heaven, Robin Hood, and A Good Year.

Oh wait, no we don't. Because they sucked.

[Queen Bitch 10,513]

23 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

This. We all remember Kingdom of Heaven, Robin Hood, and A Good Year.

Oh wait, no we don't. Because they sucked.

Those movies were good tho

[djBuffoon 12,123]

1 minute ago, Queen Bitch said:

Those movies were good tho

I'm glad somebody thinks so. 

[Queen Bitch 10,513]

1 minute ago, djBuffoon said:

I'm glad somebody thinks so. 

Art is luckily subjective. Somebody has to like them