Was the Meat Dress a mistake ?

[enissa11 2,984]

2 hours ago, Oriane said:

I think this is exactly what made the statement powerful. 

exactly this.

The meat dress in itself have a lot of layers of meaning and interpretations gaga is well aware of

That night gaga wan't performing so she decided that she had to perform with fashion
she told a story with her clothes since she arrived to the ceremony, three outfits that told a story as if she was on a mcqueen runaway but in a pop culture event, first the outfit with the discharged soldiers, then the heavy black outfit mourning the loses of those innocent people in blattle, and finally the meatdress symbolizing that no matter what, lgbt, black, white, asian, arab, iranian dead meat is ****ing disgusting dead meat, so we gotta fight for our rights.

Gaga is really a theater kid.

[alsemanche 93,005]

13 minutes ago, Rahrahbitchson said:

Oh honey dont be stupid, luv. Please do not be scandalized by the use of that meat when most of the world eats meat, there are animals that eat other animals, why will humans be bad for that? it's called the food chain sweetheart.

Yes the food chain is kept up when we wear animals, 10/10 logic  

I'm against eating animals too but I don't go around screaming at people who do it. But wearing a cow for #fashion and makinf a #statement is not it and it's in no way different than wearing real fur. 

But sure let's be condescending and rude while making 0 points, that'll do it! 

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[enissa11 2,984]

9 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Yes the food chain is kept up when we wear animals, 10/10 logic  

I'm against eating animals too but I don't go around screaming at people who do it. But wearing a cow for #fashion and makinf a #statement is not it and it's in no way different than wearing real fur. 

But sure let's be condescending and rude while making 0 points, that'll do it! 

that was precisely the point she wanted to make lol, she wanted to highlight the hypocrisy surrounding the public opinion regarding fur, no one never scandalize about wearing fur in public, but if someone shows up in a meat dress every one would say is horrible and cruel with the animal, when in reality it's essentially the same, someone had to make that point some day, and gaga did it, with fashion, she also did it with the dead kermit dress before. fashion is powerful, don't try to dismiss fashion as an unimportant cause.

[Jose P 23,341]

3 hours ago, alsemanche said:

A disgusting one yes. And the "statement" behind it was so stupid. 

I’ll be praying for you bestie 

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1 minute ago, enissa11 said:

that was also a point she wanted to make lol, she wanted to highlight the hypocrisy surrounding the public opinion regarding fur, no one never scandalize about wearinf fur in public, but if someone shows up in a meat dress every one would say is horrible and cruel with the animal, when in reality it's essentially the same, someone had to make that point some day, and gaga did it, with fashion, she also did it with the dead kermit dress. fashion is powerful, don't try to dismiss fashion as an unimportant cause.

Killing animals and wearing them to show that killing animal and wearing them is literal hypocrisy so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. 

"Lemme go kill a cat and skin it in front of everyone to show that killing cats and skinning them is bad!!!"

I know fashion is a good tool of expression, but this ain't it. 

[Rahrahbitchson 19,172]

8 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Killing animals and wearing them to show that killing animal and wearing them is literal hypocrisy so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. 

"Lemme go kill a cat and skin it in front of everyone to show that killing cats and skinning them is bad!!!"

I know fashion is a good tool of expression, but this ain't it. 

But why do you say that she went to kill animals to wear that dress? In the butcher shop they already sell that meat from dead animals, people buy it and it is people's problem what they do with the meat after buying it. Stop searching for something illegal  if it was that bad then why they sell meat? Do you think gaga went to kill an animal to wear that dress? You doesnt know her. THEY ALREADY SELL IT 

[enissa11 2,984]

15 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Killing animals and wearing them to show that killing animal and wearing them is literal hypocrisy so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. 

"Lemme go kill a cat and skin it in front of everyone to show that killing cats and skinning them is bad!!!"

I know fashion is a good tool of expression, but this ain't it. 

it's not hypocrisy, meat it's something so normalized in our society, no cow was murder specially for her to do her dress, if she didn't made that dress, another person would've buy it to eat it at diner with their family, besides, she's not vegan, she eats meat, but she doesn't like fur as normalized fashion item in society, so the mere thought of meat is not unethical for her, just in fashion as a fur because it's superficial. How would you say something very clear to people without confronting for them the disgusting nature of their actions? it's something intelligent to show ppl murder so they know how murder really looks like. that's what make the statement powerful.

and it wasn't useless either since it served to set the conversation at the time, and even today, it is really thought provoking.
And anyways that wasn't the only reason she wore it

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4 hours ago, alsemanche said:

A disgusting one yes. And the "statement" behind it was so stupid. 

Unpopular opinion here cuz ppl here put her on a really high pedestal that all her intentions are 100% pure but...

 

I lowkey always got the impression it was yet another move to create shock and controversy (what her entire career was based on the first 4-5 years) and then that "statement" made it seem more artistic, activist driven and less desperate just for attention... basically the buzz and publicity of controversy with enough temperment to not totally destroy her image

 

Say what u will but her early career appeared extremely planned and calculated. I did find the explanation for the meat dress to be a little BS and not the true true motive deep inside

 

Of course i may be wrong. But thats what ive believed for the last 10 years

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53 minutes ago, Rahrahbitchson said:

Oh honey dont be stupid, luv. Please do not be scandalized by the use of that meat when most of the world eats meat, there are animals that eat other animals, why will humans be bad for that? it's called the food chain sweetheart.

honey, sweetheart, luv

most people doing something doesn't make it right and you know why animals eating each other is ok? because they don't have a choice

people do and they choose violence, torture and death just because they like the taste of it

and in fact, y'all killing everything is the reason why food chain was broken many times, so funny that this is your argument

 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

I see how iconic the meat dress is and I don't think it was a mistake but I do see how it was disgusting and for the longest time I didn't like it because I'm vegetarian and I am against meat being used for any other purpose than to feed someone. 

I think we should respect the opinions of those who don't like it and allow people to say things like "yikes" about it (like Billie did) because that's a normal reaction. Little monsters don't have to defend it all the time. 

[enissa11 2,984]

8 minutes ago, Economy said:

Unpopular opinion here cuz ppl here put her on a really high pedestal that all her intentions are 100% pure but...

 

I lowkey always got the impression it was yet another move to create shock and controversy (what her entire career was based on the first 4-5 years) and then that "statement" made it seem more artistic, activist driven and less desperate just for attention... basically the buzz and publicity of controversy with enough temperment to not totally destroy her image

 

Say what u will but her early career appeared extremely planned and calculated. I did find the explanation for the meat dress to be a little BS and not the true true motive deep inside

 

Of course i may be wrong. But thats what ive believed for the last 10 years

you believe this because it was made on the mtv vmas
If her three outfits were in a Mcqueen runaway everyone who sees it would say is high conceptual art.
that's what gaga is all about.

also, i don't see why her own fans say it wasn't genuine when she personally contacted discharged LGBT soldiers and brought them to the event with her for the whole world to see them.

you have a big misconception of who she was in her early years

[DelusionalGaga 29,578]

I'm kinda scared to say anything because I know people will come for me. 

Basically, I don't think it was terrible but I also don't think it was an effective statement. I know she said it was a commentary on "don't ask don't tell" but honestly, does anyone besides LMs even know that? LGBT rights and a meat dress are so far apart, no one will remember for what it stood. Everyone just basically thinks she wore meat for shock value and attention. If anything, it drew attention to her persona but not to the cause. But that's just my two cents on it. 

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41 minutes ago, enissa11 said:

that was precisely the point she wanted to make lol, she wanted to highlight the hypocrisy surrounding the public opinion regarding fur, no one never scandalize about wearing fur in public, but if someone shows up in a meat dress every one would say is horrible and cruel with the animal, when in reality it's essentially the same, someone had to make that point some day, and gaga did it, with fashion, she also did it with the dead kermit dress before. fashion is powerful, don't try to dismiss fashion as an unimportant cause.

she wore it because of dont ask, dont tell thing, gays and fighting for your rights

not fur, in fact gaga showed many times that she doesn't care about animals that much and used outfits made from them herself

pink feather dress says hi

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6 minutes ago, enissa11 said:

you believe this because it was made on the mtv vmas
If her three outfits were in a Mcqueen runaway everyone who sees it would say is high conceptual art.
that's what gaga is all about.

also, i don't see why her own fans say it wasn't genuine when she personally contacted discharged LGBT soldiers and brought them to the event with her for the whole world to see them.

you have a big misconception of who she was in her early years

I never said she didnt care tho