Roelof 216 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Pray for South-Africa... Cry my beloved country. Cry. Jacob Zuma: Military deployed to tackle unrest over jailed ex-president South Africa has deployed soldiers to tackle deadly unrest triggered by the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma. Shops were looted and buildings set on fire on Monday as Zuma challenged his sentence at a hearing in the top court. At least six people have been killed and 200 arrested since the unrest began last week, after Zuma handed himself in and began his 15-month sentence. Zuma was convicted of contempt of court after failing to attend an inquiry into corruption during his presidency. The 79-year-old, who denies corruption, is hoping to get the sentence rescinded or reduced at the Constitutional Court hearing. However, legal experts say his chances of success are slim. The case has sparked an unprecedented legal drama in South Africa, which has never seen a former president jailed before. A shopping centre in the city of Pietermaritzburg, in Zuma's home province of KwaZulu-Natal, was set on fire on Monday. Images also showed other buildings and vehicles being set alight, and shops looted. The situation in Pietermaritzburg is volatile, the BBC's Nomsa Maseko reports from the city. Protesters responded with live ammunition when riot police fired rubber bullets to disperse them at one of the shopping centres that were looted overnight, she says. Police say opportunistic criminals have taken advantage of the chaos. The violence has also spread to Johannesburg, in Gauteng province. On Sunday, protesters armed with sticks, golf clubs and branches were seen marching through Johannesburg's central business Some Covid vaccination sites have been forced to close amid safety concerns. The military said troops were being deployed to assist police and "quell the unrest that has gripped both [provinces] in the last few days". President Cyril Ramaphosa has appealed for calm, saying there is no justification for the violence. Zuma was convicted of defying an instruction to give evidence at an inquiry into corruption during his nine years in power. He has testified only once at the inquiry into what has become known as "state capture" - meaning the siphoning-off of state In a separate legal matter, he pleaded not guilty last month in a corruption trial involving a $5bn (£3bn) arms deal from the 1990s. His supporters argue he is the victim of a political witch hunt, orchestrated by Ramaphosa allies." -BBC State of emergency is expected to be announced within the hour by President Cyril Ramaphosa. The army has been deployed to assist the police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I swear people don't know what anarchism is. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelof 216 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jill said: I swear people don't know what anarchism is. Then please do explain, and educate. Because by my definition, it is total anarchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Sounds like chaos. @Roelof can you give overview on why this is happening?? Is this in support of Zuma or in opposition to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Roelof said: Then please do explain, and educate. Because by my definition, it is total anarchy. Anarchism is a social and economic system that was theorised and explained for hundreds of years. It's impossible to put it all in one comment, but "people not respecting the laws" =/= anarchy. Anarchy is an idea advocating for a society with no rulers and no unnecessary hierarchies, and it's a respectable ideology that could work and has worked for years. It's not three guys running around throwing molotovs. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelof 216 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, bionic said: Sounds like chaos. @Roelof can you give overview on why this is happening?? Is this in support of Zuma or in opposition to him Basically, former President Jacob Zuma has been sentenced to 15 months in prison for disobeying the Constitutional Court. He refused to present himself to the Sate Capture Enquiry to answers questions on corruption. He was thus arrested due to ignoring a court order. His supporters have taken to the streets, looting and burning, causing absolute chaos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelof 216 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jill said: Anarchism is a social and economic system that was theorised and explained for hundreds of years. It's impossible to put it all in one comment, but "people not respecting the laws" =/= anarchy. Anarchy is an idea advocating for a society with no rulers and no unnecessary hierarchies, and it's a respectable ideology that could work and has worked for years. It's not three guys running around throwing molotovs. You do realize definitions change over time, and a state of anarchy is well known to be a state of lawlessness? Such as what is happening now. But great. Anyway. Not the point of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Bitch 10,513 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I think you mean chaos not anarchy. Anarchy is a political philosophy not some people looting shops and setting buildings on fire. Calling that anarchy is like when Republicans call Joe Bidens presidency communism. Anyway its terrible that this is happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lona Delery 7,227 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 chile i thought the government was overthrown or sumn by the thread title hope the situation gets better asap tho Sometimes it feels like I've got a war in my mind, I wanna get off but I keep riding the ride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaeDrive 3,412 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Looks more like an unorganized mob wreaking some havoc over there, it will eventually die out. "Fame Is A Boomerang" - Maria Callas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTSTOP 3,154 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Roelof said: You do realize definitions change over time, and a state of anarchy is well known to be a state of lawlessness? Such as what is happening now. But great. Anyway. Not the point of this thread. I get what you're saying but he's kinda right. If there are people being arrested, it's not anarchy. Sorry for what's happening either way. IDGAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A MESS 3,938 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 look at all the privileged YTs here giving the academical definition of anarchy to a person scared for their own nation I love the philosophical and political theories behind anarchism but this is not your twitter feed nor a podium where to earn a merit badge for your knowledge Генерал Марина Абрамовић Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelof 216 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, CannaeDrive said: Looks more like an unorganized mob wreaking some havoc over there, it will eventually die out. Look af the situation... no one is being arrested. The police force is completely overwhelmed at the moment and fearing for their lives. That is why the army is being deployed at the moment. It's not a "mob" if it occurs in multiple provinces and cities. The army will probably shoot to kill, which is frightening. People will die. Definitely not a mob! "Some havok"... my god. 🥲 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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