Why all the ARTPOP hate?

[Karen Smith 10,026]

4 minutes ago, ThePopDevil said:

the whole point was to not have a concept lmao 

Yeah sure 

[Lucas 24,859]

After the masterpieces that TFM and BTW were, I think a lot of people had really high expectations for ARTPOP but were let down. Also, many fell in love with the Swinefest's raw versions and were disappointed when the studio versions were released and they sounded very very polished and had some differents parts.

Like ARTPOP, Sex Dreams and Manicure from the Swinefest are my favorite songs but the studios versions are some of my least favorite songs in Gaga's discography

[JINNOCIDE 3,812]

Gaga was everywhere at the time because of the Monster Ball Tour + BTW promotion, which was massive.

Also, her downfall started when she released Judas around the Easter (it was a whole bop in Brazil, tho).

I guess that's the main reasons why people started to turn on her. And, of course, the Troy legal problems.

I'm glad she's reclaming her spotlight. Joanne and Cheek to Cheek needed to happen before Chromatica.

[March34th 1,973]

imo it was a messy era with a lot of broad goals that gaga couldn't successfully execute because of things out of her control, such as the r kelly fiasco, the controversy with her photographer, her management flopping on her, interscope messing with the lead single, the leaks,

chromatica is really beginning to feel like a 2.0 of the ARTPOP era in that sense

[27monster27 11,913]

I don't think people realize just how much ARTPOP influenced the overall sound of pop music in the mid-2010's. Cool for the Summer by Demi Lovato and Love Me Harder by Ariana Grande are really good examples.

[Anderson123 36,395]

When I first listened to ARTPOP I was disappointed because with every album she had made something even better with the next one, so for this I didn't think she topped Born This Way but that was probably because of my high expectations. I didn't love Applause the first time I listened to it and wasn't really feeling what she was doing but it was her "irresponsible" era, she just wanted to be loud and have fun so I guess it was fair. The album has grown on me so much since then, especially now with Chromatica, I said on another thread that it feels like a full circle with that album, they kind of compliment each other if that makes sense, maybe because it was the first full dance album in 7 years.

The thing is, I don't see ARTPOP getting hate that much, most fans here loved it since it came out and some still consider it her best. 

[HalucinatingPrince 94]

4 hours ago, Wet Fire said:

It was seen as something pretentious: commercial music trying, claiming to bring back art into pop but still not pushing boundaries. That was the criticism. Gaga was trying too hard to be artistic

I've been reading that a lot, but I still don't agree with that. 

For me, it was a beautiful piece of art. I also like the distorted hyperpop electronic sound, so maybe that's also a reason why I loved it. OMFG i love this album sooooo much

[ARTGOD 3,266]

1 hour ago, Lucas said:

Like ARTPOP, Sex Dreams and Manicure from the Swinefest are my favorite songs but the studios versions are some of my least favorite songs in Gaga's discography

Don’t you think that largely has to do with bias?. The Swinefest versions came out early in the era when everyone was hyped, the album versions came out when the era was crashing and burning and they’re the ones associated with ARTPOP’s underperformance. The Swinefest versions feel pure and untainted, and that’s why everyone hypes them up.

If someone hadn’t heard them they would think they’re radically different versions, but in reality they only have some different lyrics and extra instruments here and there. I don’t think preferring them is wrong, but acting like they are meaningfully different and measurably better is so wild to me.

I don’t understand how someone can love the Swinefest version of ARTPOP and hate the studio version when the only difference is some hee hee’s and one less chorus.

I think people’s opinions on ARTPOP are mostly emotional. If you suffered through the hate and bullying from other fans you might hate it because it reminds you of past trauma, If you were going through some good stuff in your life it might bring back really good memories.

[Alannah 2,949]

IDK, man, but ARTPOP resonated with me on another level. It was incredibly raw and the themes of trauma throughout the era made me feel closer to Gaga. I experienced assault-based trauma around the same time that album dropped and it made me feel like I wasn't alone. Swine specifically. It felt like an extension of a "coming of age" album. BTW came out while I was a senior in high school, so ARTPOP was released while I was experiencing college and learning about myself as an artist in downtown Chicago. BTW was my ABCs of discovering my sense of self while ARTPOP helped me process what I had discovered. The Applause performance at the VMAs makes me tear up to this day, especially when she did the TFM-era gesture of the circle over eye during 'nostalgia is for geeks', because it had been so long since we had seen her in that element.

artRave was also my first Gaga show (camped out for the BTWB and we collectively got the Tweet about her hip in line); there's so much nostalgia surrounding that time. 

Also the excitement of hearing her go nuts on that drum set in the promo for that iTunes preview made me so hyped; that event had some of my favorite Gaga performances ever.

I think some of the fans who don't care for ARTPOP started stanning after that album cycle. Not all, obviously, because saying 100% of the "at the time" fanbase loved ARTPOP would be silly. In the same way I love ARTPOP, I see the generation of newer stans go hard like that for Joanne. Not sure if there's a sentiment correlation there or not. 

[Lucas 24,859]

3 minutes ago, ARTGOD said:

Don’t you think that largely has to do with bias?. The Swinefest versions came out early in the era when everyone was hyped, the album versions came out when the era was crashing and burning and they’re the ones associated with ARTPOP’s underperformance. The Swinefest versions feel pure and untainted, and that’s why everyone hypes them up.

If someone hadn’t heard them they would think they’re radically different versions, but in reality they only have some different lyrics and extra instruments here and there. I don’t think preferring them is wrong, but acting like they are meaningfully different and measurably better is so wild to me.

I don’t understand how someone can love the Swinefest version of ARTPOP and hate the studio version when the only difference is some hee hee’s and one less chorus.

I think people’s opinions on ARTPOP are mostly emotional. If you suffered through the hate and bullying from other fans you might hate it because it reminds you of past trauma, If you were going through some good stuff in your life it might bring back really good memories.

Personally I was still 100% hyped for the album, I didn't think the era was crashing back then because I knew absolutely nothing about eras, I thought things were going as they were supposed to.

Imo the Swinefest version of Manicure is way catchier and I love the raw vocals. On the album version they're way too polished for a pop rock song, and the added lyrics aren't catchy to my ears. ARTPOP had a more magic feeling to it while the studio version sounds robotic, same goes for Sex Dreams.

Eh I think everyone has different reasons to love/dislike ARTPOP. For me it was simply because I didn't enjoy the music, for some it definitely has to do with the fact that the era took a bad turn and all the trashtalking of the album online affected their opinion on the album

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,461]

low quality speakers/headphones/system

that’s the only thing I can think of

[Vicixs 3,392]

4 hours ago, Anderson123 said:

I don't see what wrong with Aura, Donatella and MJH using previously made instrumentals and Venus a sample. Gaga had a vision for these songs while creating them and they sound good, no matter if some are just copy and paste. That's how the music industry works sometimes. Those who think Gaga and a producer sit in a room and write a song and music from scratch all the time will end up disappointed.

Listen to her “Inside the Outside” MTV interview on how she wrote Marry The Night. She’s capable of it if the thing. So to hear that she chose from a catalogue for an album about ART & POP seems disingenuous.

 

(ARTPOP is my favorite album)

[Ronk 14,510]

OGHs worked very hard to convince everyone that ARTPOP was not good.  People believe what they hear from others instead of judging objectively for themselves, so the hate spreads and the OGHs win.

ARTPOP happened at a time when it was deemed cool to hate on Gaga.  Journalists, critics, and reviewers like to say what they think will be popular with their readers, so they hate on Gaga just to make themselves look good.  They even make up falsehoods about Gaga's work because their readers don't know they are falsehoods.  I remember when a journalist in California gave a horrible review of artRAVE as if he actually attended the concert.  There were technical inaccuracies in what he said, such of the length of time Gaga was on stage, so he obviously did not attend the concert and was just making things up.

It takes a long time to recover from the hate that has been spread, but Gaga has gradually been gaining favor with the public.  Imo, the biggest effect is when people come to realize Gaga is a nice person.  People like nice people.  If people have a negative impression of an artist, they may refuse to listen to the music to it judge for themselves, or if they do listen they may have been subconsciously influenced not to like it.  Perception is so important, which is why OGHs try to change people's perception of Gaga regardless of the actual quality of her work.

[PEZ 6,180]

ARTPOP is my favorite Gaga album and my favorite era of Gaga street fashion. It delivered a mix of colorful, loud, eclectic, hyper/exaggerated visuals and sounds that really hit on what I personally like to see and hear.

The thing that stops me from blabbing constantly about how amazing I think ARTPOP is (or behaving overly defensive about it online), is knowing how hard a time Gaga was having personally during the era. It was pretty obvious to us at the time but the number and degree of her difficulties only became more clear as the years passed and she opened up more plainly about it like in 5F2, her statement about DWUW, occasions like that.

Weird hypothetical situation: I would be happy to continue getting the same kind of artistic output and performances that we got during the ARTPOP era, but I wouldn't want Gaga to have to go through that part of her life again... It's heartbreaking to know she was barely treading water in the midst of cumulative traumas during what was otherwise my favorite time as a fan. It makes me feel guilty, I guess is the best word? To have derived so much joy from the era and then realize over time the true magnitude of how rough things were for her during that same time. Like I wouldn't want her to flash back to all that sh*t by going up to her and saying "GOD I F*KN LOVE ARTPOP". So I keep my expressions of enjoyment of it a bit more subdued because I'm not sure what's the most compassionate way to think and act about it all.

[Guest]

I feel like most people who aren't too big of fans for ARTPOP are that way because they are massive fans of Born This Way and the sonic direction it took.

I was a huge Born This Way fan as well as The Fame Monster. I felt that that was the perfect direction in terms of sound and creative direction for her and I was so excited to see what she was going to put out next. The promotion leading up to even Applause was so intreguing from me, especially the imagery. Her sitting on that tech chair got me so excited for what was to come and what I had in my mind and thought was going to come next was not what we got.

For me ARTPOP was a step backwards sonically from its predecessors and it took a while for me to accept it for what it is. My biggest criticism with it is that I don't find it to be at all 'experimental' like others claim it is.

I listened to a lot of straight up electronic music around that time, so it was pretty much in line with what was trending in those sounds at the time. Madeon and Zedd were doing what other electronic producers were doing. It contains some of my most skipped tracks (namely Donatella and Mary Jane Holland).

If she had went a Daniel Deluxe or Perturbator route with the direction of the album, then that would be different and that's more in line of what I was expecting after seeing the tech chair promo pics and others.