PETAs' activists are calling for an end to human supremacy

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[Chromatican 4,046]

1 minute ago, littlepotter said:

Why is it trendy lately to draw analogies where they absolutely don't belong? You're too smart for me to explain to you how defending yourself against hate speech, a crime, is not the same as telling people what food to put in their bodies when it is and will always be their freedom to do so

It’s not about what food you put in your body. It’s about the industry itself and being complicit in the mistreatment of animals. If you were able to obtain meat that was chemically identical to meat that wasn’t obtained through slaughter vegans would not have a problem.

[sarahb 17,247]

3 minutes ago, kukuryku666 said:

I don't need a reason because we don't even talk about it right now. We can have a conversation about it after pigs, cows and other animals are no longer tortured in cages and killed after. Stop with these extreme examples.

"Speciesism is the differing treatment or moral consideration of individuals based on their species membership. This involves treating members of one species as morally more important than members of other species in the context of their similar interests. "

So killing a butterfly should be murder based on this definition no? Not that I think people should be randomly killing butterflies for no particular reason, but jailing someone for the murder of a human and not jailing someone for the murder of a butterfly means humans are seen as morally superior. And no rational person would suggest jailing someone over a butterfly.

Yeah its extreme but I'm just pointing out why I think 'speciesism' is a flawed concept and impossible to enforce in any meaningful way. 

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3 minutes ago, Chromatican said:

Go act like a lion and hunt down cows and try to eat them with your bare teeth then if you want to act like an animal. 

You've lost me.

I don't want to act like a lion. I'd be crap at lioning. If I want beef, I can go out and buy it. Lions would probably do the same if they were able. Why don't Peta come here and campaign for my cat to stop killing all the mice and the little birdies ?

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2 minutes ago, MOT said:

Why don't Peta come here and campaign for my cat to stop killing all the mice and the little birdies ?

Not the birds  that's sad

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5 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

Why is it trendy lately to draw analogies where they absolutely don't belong? You're too smart for me to explain to you how defending yourself against hate speech, a crime, is not the same as telling people what food to put in their bodies when it is and will always be their freedom to do so

It’s the same logic, tho. It’s about hurting the innocent just for the sake of it. There’s no good reason why billions of animals are tortured every year for their meat/skin/fur/milk/etc. When we as human are advanced enough to go without all of that. We aren’t cavemen anymore.

Look, I’m not saying that killing a dog is the same as committing a hate crime against a POC or an LGBTQ member. I’m saying that we, as a species, are capable of not doing either of those. And we should be more aware of how our actions affect others, both humans and animals. 

[Chromatican 4,046]

6 minutes ago, sarahb said:

"Speciesism is the differing treatment or moral consideration of individuals based on their species membership. This involves treating members of one species as morally more important than members of other species in the context of their similar interests. "

So killing a butterfly should be murder based on this definition no? Not that I think people should be randomly killing butterflies for no particular reason, but jailing someone for the murder of a human and not jailing someone for the murder of a butterfly means humans are seen as morally superior. And no rational person would suggest jailing someone over a butterfly.

Yeah its extreme but I'm just pointing out why I think 'speciesism' is a flawed concept and impossible to enforce in any meaningful way. 

Everyone is speciesist to some degree—even vegans. The goal of veganism is animal liberation, not punitive laws for hypothetical butterfly killings. Veganism as a movement is not about “judging what another person eats” or totally eradicating speciesism and creating a world where animals are given the exact same protections as humans, but it is a movement that fights against the commodity status of animals. 

[ALGAYDO 35,404]

4 minutes ago, MOT said:

Why don't Peta come here and campaign for my cat to stop killing all the mice and the little birdies ?

Because your cat isn’t sentient/self-aware enough to understand what it’s doing. It’s just going through the motions, acting on instinct. You, as a human, are evolved enough to understand morals. You know when you hurt someone/something that it’s wrong. 

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9 minutes ago, kukuryku666 said:

 

We are not superior, but we have more knowledge and resources.

Animals kill to survive and they don't even know what that really is. We know what death and pain is so we should think about it and try to minimize it as much as possible. There's a cool word, "morality".

Use it.

Ok. One man's morality is another man's nonsense.

[MJHolland 12,725]

11 minutes ago, kukuryku666 said:

 

We are not superior, but we have more knowledge and resources.

Animals kill to survive and they don't even know what that really is. We know what death and pain is so we should think about it and try to minimize it as much as possible. There's a cool word, "morality".

Use it.

But you don't get to decide if someone else is moral or not because they eat meat. 

Maybe if PETA and their backers didn't act so superior to other humans who eat the diet that humans have had for millions of years and are genetically wired to desire, we'd actually have made progress. 

ALSO...

The way I thought your profile pic was Shaggy holding a stack of Chromatica Oreos OMFG haha  

[Chromatican 4,046]

7 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

But you don't get to decide if someone else is moral or not because they eat meat. 

Maybe if PETA and their backers didn't act so superior to other humans who eat the diet that humans have had for millions of years and are genetically wired to desire, we'd actually have made progress. 

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The way I thought your profile pic was Shaggy holding a stack of Chromatica Oreos OMFG haha  

People who eat meat, and have the option of not eating meat are showing their support for an undeniably unethical industry and exacerbating climate change in ways few other behaviors could according to scientific consensus. Meat eaters being less moral is not exactly an opinion. Humans are still evolving and can thrive on a plant based diet. In fact, the survival of the human race may depend on us drastically altering our diets. 

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10 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Because your cat isn’t sentient/self-aware enough to understand what it’s doing. It’s just going through the motions, acting on instinct. You, as a human, are evolved enough to understand morals. You know when you hurt someone/something that it’s wrong. 

To cut to the chase, I don't think animals have equal standing with humans. I think the life of a human is worth more than the life of an animal. I think that view would be supported by the laws of most, if not all, countries.

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1 minute ago, MOT said:

To cut to the chase, I don't think animals have equal standing with humans. I think the life of a human is worth more than the life of an animal. I think that view would be supported by the laws of most, if not all, countries.

Is this supposed to justify animal abuse and exploitation? 

[MJHolland 12,725]

7 minutes ago, Chromatican said:

People who eat meat, and have the option of not eating meat are showing their support for an undeniably unethical industry and exacerbating climate change in ways few other behaviors could compare according to scientific consensus. Meat eaters being less moral is not exactly an opinion. Humans are still evolving and can thrive on a plant based diet. In fact, the survival of the human race may depend on us drastically altering our diets. 

Uh ok, good luck convincing 7.7 individual people to quit meat in the next 10 years before irreversible climate disaster happens I guess?

Seems like a very silly naive pipedream