Are monsters ever going to forgive Joe Germanotta?

[Economy 49,568]

1 minute ago, gag said:

If the POTUS degraded and insulted your daughter the NIGHT before the election... and she responded back and it became headline news... I don’t see how you could miss that. It wasn’t an obscure tweet at all.

Not but a lot of people could still miss it. It being your own daughter doesn't magically make u aware if u don't see it

 

Like me, I only saw that news on GGD. If I wasn't on GGD I would of been completely unaware of that

 

Although someone above me just said apparently her team did till him? If we have confirmation of that then we can say for sure he did in fact knew

[4BLAiNE 1,275]

If one professes to be truly open minded, and forward thinking, and accepting, then we also need to be open to understanding people have other opinions than our own. We may not agree, but that also doesn’t entitle us to expect forgiveness either, because freedom of speech and opinion doesn’t work that way. 

[UnknownUser71 2,878]

Everyone HAS the right to have an opinion.

There's nothing to forgive.

[Economy 49,568]

6 minutes ago, MillionReasons07 said:

I think Gaga knew that (or her team) and that she told or texted her dad. He should've said or tweeted something that shows trump that it's not okay to insult his daughter.

Yeah? I don't remember reading any of their anywhere. But if that's the case then fair enough I guess we can know for sure then

 

Since I never heard of such a thing, my impression was just that ppl assumed he knew just because he was the father and it's like, that doesn't magically give u senses, you can still miss stuff if ur not paying attention to media

[InsomniaMonster69 3,471]

We dont need to forgive him. Its Gaga that needs to forgive (or not to forgive) him and have to live whit that. 

I hope that their relationship is still okay. Political differences can harm your relationship to family and friends. And I wish nobody to have a bad relationship to their family. 

We can ignore him. 

[Economy 49,568]

7 minutes ago, Mister D said:

Everyone HAS the right to have an opinion.

There's nothing to forgive.

I generally agree when it comes to debatable matters

 

Like Republicans and democrats have a different philosophy in economy for example. Both have the intention of creating max prosperity using different strategies and u can disagree on it

 

But there's certain hateful stuff that's just basic human decency not to have and when it comes to opinions on that I can't see how anyone can respect such opinions

 

We disagree on which policies are better for solving certain issues? Fine, we are never all gonna agree and I wish ppl did a better job of hearing other people's perspectives and discuss them In a civilized manner rather than getting agressive and insulting eachother online which leads nowhere and makes everyone have tunnel vision and bias in their views without ever considering the big picture

 

But refer to Mexicans are rapists or support white supremacism in every indirect way possible (even if he doesn't outright say the words directly)... That's stuff that's no longer a matter of different ways of looking at things, that just plain hatefulness and bigotry so if u hold such opinions and ppl judge you for it, you can't expect anything less tbh

[4BLAiNE 1,275]

4 minutes ago, Economy said:

I generally agree when it comes to debatable matters

 

Like Republicans and democrats have a different philosophy in economy for example. Both have the intention of creating max prosperity using different strategies and u can disagree on it

 

But there's certain hateful stuff that's just basic human decency not to have and when it comes to opinions on that I can't see how anyone can respect such opinions

 

We disagree on which policies are better for solving certain issues? Fine, we are never all gonna agree and I wish ppl did a better job of hearing other people's perspectives and discuss them In a civilized manner rather than getting agressive and insulting eachother online which leads nowhere and makes everyone have tunnel vision and bias in their views without ever considering the big picture

 

But refer to Mexicans are rapists or support white supremacism in every indirect way possible (even if he doesn't outright say the words directly)... That's stuff that's no longer a matter of different ways of looking at things, that just plain hatefulness and bigotry so if u hold such opinions and ppl judge you for it, you can't expect anything less tbh

Completely agree. The difficulty we all face, particularly now, is figuring out how to deal with, and listen to, these sorts of issues in a way that bridges gaps and understanding, rather than creating deeper and deeper divides. All I’ve seen recently is the latter, and I think that’s a one way ticket to disaster socially. 

[UnknownUser71 2,878]

Just now, Economy said:

I generally agree when it comes to debatable matters

 

Like Republicans and democrats have a different philosophy in economy for example. Both have the intention of creating max prosperity using different strategies and u can disagree on it

 

But there's certain hateful stuff that's just basic human decency not to have and when it comes to opinions on that I can't see how anyone can respect such opinions

 

We disagree on which policies are better for solving certain issues? Fine, we are never all gonna agree and I wish ppl did a better job of hearing other people's perspectives and discuss them Ina. Civilized manner rather than getting agressive and insulting online which leads nowhere

 

But refer to Mexicans are rapists or support white supremacism in every indirect way possible (even if he doesn't outright say the words directly)... That's stuff that's no longer a matter of different ways of looking at things, that just plain hatefulnedd and bigotry so if u hold such opinions and ppl judge you for it, you can't expect anything less tbh

I totally agree.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Trump and everything he supports and represents... I'm not even American, but I'd NEVER voted for Trump (I'm latino, so as you can imagine, I hate that man...)

But everyone has the right to support what they want to support and that's none of my business, you know? (but it's just my point of view, I can be wrong).

That being said, I hate politics, it just pits people against each other.

[PunkTheFunk 124,406]

I didn't know she had a father, that's interesting. I thought she was born by immaculate conception.

[Ronk 14,762]

17 minutes ago, Mister D said:

Everyone HAS the right to have an opinion.

There's nothing to forgive.

Exactly.

[Ronk 14,762]

2 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said:

I didn't know she had a father, that's interesting. I thought she was born by immaculate conception.

That's Madonna.

[Economy 49,568]

2 minutes ago, 4BLAiNE said:

Completely agree. The difficulty we all face, particularly now, is figuring out how to deal with, and listen to, these sorts of issues in a way that bridges gaps and understanding, rather than creating deeper and deeper divides. All I’ve seen recently is the latter, and I think that’s a one way ticket to disaster socially. 

I think a bigger issue now is the internet. They split ppl into groups that listen to commentators that are even more biased than mainstream media

 

Whether it's popular left wing media like The Young Turks or Right Winged commentators like Peter Schiff... They are even worse than mainstream news outlets like CNN in terms of being biased or ommiting details that don't fit their narrative... The fact that they have subscribers that want to hear those biased analysis further encourages them to be biased and their subscribers will tend to stick to commentators that only analyse stuff in their view point

 

In my opinion it's a huge part of what's creating even further divide. These platforms claim to be more factual than mainstream media because they aren't fueled by corporate Connors but in my opinion it's the exact opposite, they are even more biased. Having subscribers is also as strong a motivating factor as donors for being biased and online commentators have less accountability even than the mainstream media that dominated for so long which gives them freedom to be as biased as they want. Some are even more biased than Fox News and that's saying a lot

 

Not that I think that's the exclusive problem in terms of intolerance to even hear out other points of view but I think it's been a huge factor in the last 10 years

[PunkTheFunk 124,406]

1 minute ago, Ronk said:

That's Madonna.

Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep
But I made up my mind, I'm voting for Biden, hm
I'm gonna vote for Biden

[Economy 49,568]

18 minutes ago, Mister D said:

I totally agree.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Trump and everything he supports and represents... I'm not even American, but I'd NEVER voted for Trump (I'm latino, so as you can imagine, I hate that man...)

But everyone has the right to support what they want to support and that's none of my business, you know? (but it's just my point of view, I can be wrong).

That being said, I hate politics, it just pits people against each other.

I generally agree unless it's supporting something that's clearly hurting other ppl. Cuz then it's not just ur rights that are at play if you support politics that are clearly opressing groups of ppl and nobody has a "right" to opress anyone. Even if ur not the one doing it but u support someone in power who does, indirectly u share some responsibility for it and that's my issue with the view that ppl have a right to any opinion they want. I think there's limits. Someone like Trump in my opinion crosses those limits in many ways

 

Now if u don't agree with me on the best tax rates, or the number of Immigrants that's most ideal to let in, or the best way to cover more people for healthcare etc... Stuff like that I can tolerate differences of opinion on because usually differences of opinion in such matters don't come from an intentional place of malace, they just don't agree with u on what's most effective and what should be prioritized and there isn't always a clear obvious answer. We have opinions. And the more we can hear out eachother and not fight the better the chances we find competent compromises that work, although issue is hardly anyone thinks that way

 

But yeah again, if it involves hate, opression or discrimination, that's when opinion for me is not as easy to justify as just an "opinion" because that "opinion" is literally potentially dangerous to many

 

Hitler's opinions (which he had the power to carry out) cost millions their lives and countless others who did survive still went thru essentially torture in work camps. I get this is a more extreme example than say Donald Trump's politics but I think the principal is still the same

[Ronk 14,762]

3 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said:

Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep
But I made up my mind, I'm voting for Biden, hm
I'm gonna vote for Biden

Wow.  Madonna predicted Biden back in 1985.  I know she was good, but wow!