Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: But is that really what’s happening? Because being muslim and not being homophobic is still not as common as the opposite. Exactly, which is why having Gay Muslims and reformists as myself is important Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, GeeYewWhai said: Anything that can be weaponized, especially literature, whether or not that may be the true intentions of the writers is dangerous. I’m not saying ban it, I’m saying it should be up for criticism like literally every other book, institution, song, medium, etc. Nothing I said is a fact, it is was logical deduction. and in terms of the book. What I’m saying is that questioning the legitimacy of a book that is a CHOICE to follow (Meaning it is not inherently ingrained in their culture to follow rather enforced) Should be normalized. It is called freedom of speech. It is called freedom of expression. That’s what I’m saying. If there was anything else unclear, guide me through it if you want And I agree but let's discuss politely without offending anyone. I certainly didn't offend you as a non believer, did I? But some of you did offend me with false replies. I gave many of people on here perfectly polite explanation and the answer I got was "So gay is bad! Okay I hate ISLAM!".. C'mon now.. Also evil people could and will weaponize everything. They will weaponize fairytale if they want to. That is not the way to look at things. I agree! Religion shouldn't be part of politics and it should only be the individual thing that is only linked to one individual. I am not trying to force anything upon any of you except for facts. I read Qur'an and I read Bible. I know what I'm talking about so let's discuss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audrey horne 1,180 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Exactly, which is why having Gay Muslims and reformists as myself is important I really admire that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: But is that really what’s happening? Because being muslim and not being homophobic is still not as common as the opposite. Being human and not being homophobic is still not as common so...? That's ridiculous to say. Homophobia is something that is widely accepted unfortunately. It doesn't have anything to do with Islam or religion. Literally many people I know who are homophobic are actually not part of any religion. That is a problem that is not exclusively religious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, audrey horne said: This is the right way to deal with this! Bravo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Regina George said: Being human and not being homophobic is still not as common so...? That's ridiculous to say. Homophobia is something that is widely accepted unfortunately. It doesn't have anything to do with Islam or religion. Literally many people I know who are homophobic are actually not part of any religion. That is a problem that is not exclusively religious. But let’s be honest here, most of homophobia does stem from religion. And most people are religious too, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, LittleMonster20 said: But let’s be honest here, most of homophobia does stem from religion. And most people are religious too, right? Probably! But then again sex before marriage is a sin in almost all religions and most people I know do it but when you mention gay people they get outraged.. It is fear of the unknown and different that is the real problem here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Regina George said: Probably! But then again sex before marriage is a sin in almost all religions and most people I know do it but when you mention gay people they get outraged.. It is fear of the unknown and different that is the real problem here. It doesn’t excuse anything. And religion doesn’t help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, LittleMonster20 said: It doesn’t excuse anything. And religion doesn’t help. I agree with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol 33 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Karl said: She isn't Islamic, therefore she doesn't believe in the religion, therefore she can do what she wants, just because people that follow the religion get offended doesn't mean she can't do it, it's not a law is it. This is the same kind of mentality that got a team of artists murdered at Charlie Hebdo for drawing a picture of a god that doesn't even exist. It’s cultural appropriation. And it’s never okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LG2008 5,187 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm sorry but I don't understand why this is so problematic... Is it because of what its being 'said' in the song, or because they are using cultural/religious music... Is it cultural appropriation? I'm sorry but I'm confused Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Regina George said: I agree with that At least you know better than to be homophobic, which I’m thankful for. I’m regardless of everything not trying to make people feel bad for their religion. I think it’s all very complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC 25,164 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 hours ago, InTraumatica said: She literally wanted to release Judas MV a week before Easter. I wouldn't have minded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: I really admire that. I really do. I just think reforming a religion however, is undoable and might cause more danger to people participating, knowing how far a lot of these communities can go. Islam (Just like all religions) can be reformed. Many eras in Islam was very reformed like the Mutazila era. Or how Islam was way more open back in the 60's for example. We are just sadly in a bad backwards situation at the moment. One of the reason for radicalization is our terrorists are being funded by world leaders. Our radical governments and islamic movement like salafism is funded by America. People participating to reform Islam know the limit of their own country and culture. Realistically its always baby steps to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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