brizoda 3,408 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Dulo Peep said: Except Rihanna, wich always been super chill and triconic, but look at the others faces, it cant be because of the dress because they totally saw it before and closer, it makes me think its because she is winning video of the year Who is at the right side of Justin, Willow or Jaden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, brizoda said: Who is at the right side of Justin, Willow or Jaden? I think willow, they always have been BFFs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Biggest Bitch said: Kesha is the only one who's not relevant anymore Well ngl Katy’s not in the right path right now, i loved smile and got record copies of it but when was the last time you heard a new song by her on radio or someone mentioning it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 54,461 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Her earlier songs are still more successful than most artists new songs That proves that at the time of their release was relevant. Her latest songs show a different story.. 21 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: I’m pretty sure she’ll come back. Anyway every other artist had flop eras, even Gaga She could be on her 9th underperfoming album and fans will still cling to the idea that she will reign over music again.. Based on how her career played out since 2014 it's pretty certain that commercially this is the level she'll remain. Witness and Smile both underperfomed bad and a revival overnight is just unrealistic. 17 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Anyway every other artist had flop eras, even Gaga Gaga has never underperformed as bad as Witness and Smile. She had ups and downs but overall her career remained somehow consistent even during its lowest points. I mean, C2C outsold the amount Smile sold first week multiplied by 2, without any singles and as a jazz record. Every Gaga album except C2C had a top 5 hit, all went #1 with 100k+ first week.. Katy's downfall is on another level. I have nothing against Katy but this is the reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggest Bitch 5,230 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, FfFfFfFF said: That proves that at the time of their release was relevant. Her latest songs show a different story.. She could be on her 9th underperfoming album and fans will still cling to the idea that she will reign over music again.. Based on how her career played out since 2014 it's pretty certain that commercially this is the level she'll remain. Witness and Smile both underperfomed bad and a revival overnight is just unrealistic. Gaga has never underperformed as bad as Witness and Smile. She had ups and downs but overall her career remained somehow consistent even during its lowest points. I mean, C2C outsold the amount Smile sold first week multiplied by 2, without any singles and as a jazz record. Every Gaga album except C2C had a top 5 hit, all went #1 with 100k+ first week.. Katy's downfall is on another level. I have nothing against Katy but this is the reality. Without superbowl, Joanne would be Katy’s Smile. Never Relly Over peaked #15 just like Perfect Illusion. Without superbowl, MR would be #54. Applause peaked #4. CTTR peaked #4. So if we follow your logic Gaga flopped from ARTPOP to ASIB (2013-2018). And yes, Smile went only #5 on bb 200 while Joanne and ARTPOP peaked #1, but it’s still means nothing. Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on every other platform. Both singer have 1 flop era. ARTPOP and Smile. Anyway they both have the power to come back. Gaga came back after a long time, and I’m pretty sure Katy will too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Without superbowl, Joanne would be Katy’s Smile. Never Relly Over peaked #15 just like Perfect Illusion. Without superbowl, MR would be #54. Applause peaked #4. CTTR peaked #4. So if we follow your logic Gaga flopped from ARTPOP to ASIB (2013-2018). And yes, Smile went only #5 on bb 200 while Joanne and ARTPOP peaked #1, but it’s still means nothing. Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on every other platform. Both singer have 1 flop era. ARTPOP and Smile. Anyway they both have the power to come back. Gaga came back after a long time, and I’m pretty sure Katy will too. So now that you got proven wrong, you’re adding new obstacles? Gaga got a #4 hit with Joanne, stop trying to downplay her success. Who cares if she did the Super Bowl? Almost every artist has one, it’s not our fault Gaga was smart enough to add a Joanne track onto the performance. And even then, didn’t Joanne sell over 200K first week? I mean even Cheek To Cheek outsold Smile by far, ARTPOP was not a “flop era”. Applause went #4 and spent more than 13 weeks in the Top 10, the album sold over 2.5M, had a successful tour, and is still talked about to this day. And no, Katy doesn’t have the power to come back, because she doesn’t have the range of talent to reinvent herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 54,461 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Without superbowl, Joanne would be Katy’s Smile. Never Relly Over peaked #15 just like Perfect Illusion. Without superbowl, MR would be #54. Applause peaked #4. CTTR peaked #4. So if we follow your logic Gaga flopped from ARTPOP to ASIB (2013-2018). And yes, Smile went only #5 on bb 200 while Joanne and ARTPOP peaked #1, but it’s still means nothing. Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on every other platform. Both singer have 1 flop era. ARTPOP and Smile. Anyway they both have the power to come back. Gaga came back after a long time, and I’m pretty sure Katy will too. Absolutely not.. Joanne did 100k+ plus first week and had 3 charting songs on the main BB chart before the Superbowl. Witness was midly better performing than Smile and closer to ARTPOP but still, ARTPOP despite being very messy wasn't as abysmally received as Katy's Bon Apetit, all its performances, Katy's Ellen interview etc.. by neither the GP or the critics. Gaga had a good run of 4 100k+ #1 selling albums, from 2013-2020. Katy doesn't. There is no comparasion. If the fact that a jazz album by Gaga being released after a messy like ARTPOP outsold a mainstream pop album by such a well-known name like Katy Perry doesn't make you understand that, I don't know what logic are you following. 15 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: And yes, Smile went only #5 on bb 200 while Joanne and ARTPOP peaked #1, but it’s still means nothing. Because it doesn't fit your argumentation?.. Because it literally otherwise prove a point. 15 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on every other platform. Both singer have 1 flop era. ARTPOP and Smile. What platforms again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunir 7,510 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Sister said: Gaga was in a league of her own back then Still is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetasspussy 609 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 i was too young to witness this era i can't omg So much time on the other side Waiting for you to wake up So much time on the other side Waiting for you to wake up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crybrowz 3,240 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Biggest Bitch said: Kesha is the only one who's not relevant anymore Smile only debuted with a mere 5k more than High Road Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiskoBaby 1,929 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I feel like if you’ve gotten a number one album and a top ten single, it doesn’t technically define as a true flop? But when you look at the success of The Fame - Born This Way and then look at the sales of ARTPOP and Joanne, it’s a case of how the mighty have fallen. True you can’t stay on top forever, but, nobody predicted she would have fell off that fast after having a huge reign in music. ARTPOP and Joanne are flops by Gaga standards but average by pop standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan2244 1,858 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, DiskoBaby said: I feel like if you’ve gotten a number one album and a top ten single, it doesn’t technically define as a true flop? But when you look at the success of The Fame - Born This Way and then look at the sales of ARTPOP and Joanne, it’s a case of how the mighty have fallen. True you can’t stay on top forever, but, nobody predicted she would have fell off that fast after having a huge reign in music. ARTPOP and Joanne are flops by Gaga standards but average by pop standards. You can’t really compare to the fame or born this way though, Joanne and ARTPOP were successful but not as successful, different sort of music, Joanne wasn’t mainstream and ARTPOP wasn’t either, it was mature and experimental, where as Smile and Witness, is mainstream and similar to teenage dream and prism x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiskoBaby 1,929 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jonathan2244 said: You can’t really compare to the fame or born this way though, Joanne and ARTPOP were successful but not as successful, different sort of music, Joanne wasn’t mainstream and ARTPOP wasn’t either, it was mature and experimental, where as Smile and Witness, is mainstream and similar to teenage dream and prism x But to go from one million in sales the first week do then do sales compared to every other pop star really showed who her true fans were and that most people were in the bandwagon. It felt like Gaga was at a point where could have released anything and sold like hot cakes. But then she became like every other pop star. So she did fall off for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggest Bitch 5,230 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said: Absolutely not.. Joanne did 100k+ plus first week and had 3 charting songs on the main BB chart before the Superbowl. Witness was midly better performing than Smile and closer to ARTPOP but still, ARTPOP despite being very messy wasn't as abysmally received as Katy's Bon Apetit, all its performances, Katy's Ellen interview etc.. by neither the GP or the critics. Gaga had a good run of 4 100k+ #1 selling albums, from 2013-2020. Katy doesn't. There is no comparasion. If the fact that a jazz album by Gaga being released after a messy like ARTPOP outsold a mainstream pop album by such a well-known name like Katy Perry doesn't make you understand that, I don't know what logic are you following. Because it doesn't fit your argumentation?.. Because it literally otherwise prove a point. What platforms again? Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on youtube and spotify too. The singles are quite similar, especially worldwide. There are plenty of countries where even Bon Appetit and Swish Swish peaked higher than MR or PL, without Superbowl. Gaga's power is only higher at album sales. And yes again, Smile peaked #5, but you all forget that the first single came out 1 year ago, of course most people didn't buy the album. Anyway Katy is still more popular among the young generation. Like I just said it before Katy will be on top again, she's still got power and that's a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Biggest Bitch said: Witness outperformed Joanne and ARTPOP on youtube and spotify too. The singles are quite similar, especially worldwide. There are plenty of countries where even Bon Appetit and Swish Swish peaked higher than MR or PL, without Superbowl. Gaga's power is only higher at album sales. And yes again, Smile peaked #5, but you all forget that the first single came out 1 year ago, of course most people didn't buy the album. Anyway Katy is still more popular among the young generation. Like I just said it before Katy will be on top again, she's still got power and that's a fact. Her new music is marketed towards the younger generation, yet they said no. Never Really Over was a “droplet”, it just happened to do better than the real lead single, Daisies. They added NRO because if they didn’t, the album would look even more like a failure. “Gaga’s power is only higher in album sales”. Gaga’s gotten 4 Top 5 hits since the last time Katy even touched the Top 10, her music videos and songs are getting millions of streams, and here we have Katy struggling to hit 20M views and 100M streams these days, while Gaga’s doing it with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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