Suuus 5,632 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Kitana said: i see you always writing "reverse". it is "rehearse" Thank you for telling me english is not my first language Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Messy vers Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kitana said: i see you always writing "reverse". it is "revenge" Fixedt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I think people forget that Gaga is an incredibly intelligent human and as an artist she is aware how she‘s changed. Could she go back to the aesthics we were used from e.g. her TFM era people so often reference? She is capable and she most-certainly knows that. These are conscious artistic choices why the stage looks like that and why people dance like that and why Gaga is dressed like that etc. I think people forget that and we know Gaga has a deep and complex thinking mind so these aesthetics and her appearance have a similar origin. Let alone there is a dozen of people who most certainly are long time friend and are capable of working with her on the same level of consciousness she has. So this perfomance or how Chromatica has been promoted may look very simple to some of you but in reality it‘s high art with deep meaning that managed to be communicated with a language that doesn‘t need to be as complex to be understood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerk 7,243 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 To me this was very similar to Gaga live shows. So in that sense it fits her very well. It's almost like she put the Chromatica Ball stage in a tv studio. The levels with the appartment and the pole to go down reminds me a lot of the Monster Ball buildings, the BTW ball bedroom, Roseland tree house. The way the musicians are in sight but also hidden in their own little space. The turning 'quick change' booths. The piano that is integrated into the stage. Everything screaming Gaga on tour to me, even her performance style. This was quintessentially Gaga just as much as previous award show performances. But it stands out because it's not a single concept like her previous award show performances, but it prefers to concert Gaga and that's a first for the VMA'S. According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 hours ago, RenegAde said: You should have read the whole thing before commenting because i justified her not rehearsing enough if thats the case you didn't really though. While commenting that there may be reasons she didn't "rehearse" enough, you still call out her performance for not being rehearsed enough anyway. You might as well as not even bothered giving reasons why that might be the case, because in the end it didn't change your viewpoint. I just find it interesting that so many Gaga fans are seemingly unable to enjoy the great things she gives, instead allowing the small percentage of things they don't like overwhelm them to the point,as you've said, you won't even re-watch a show where "Gaga gave great vocals and 1000% stage presence and energy." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I don’t know but @RenegAde made some good points there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFXIV WhiteMage 5,919 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 She was the best of the night, as she should I think what people (mostly stans) are complaining is that it's not the avant-garde, weird/crazy, campy performances like she used to do. It's actually straight forward to the theme (alien/galactic visuals). There's no gimmick or tricks or surprise. However, technically speaking, her performance was phenomenal: the vocals were great (though arguably not her best), choreography execution was on fire, and the stage is aligned with the Chromatica theme (though it could use more CGI/green screen backdrop combination). While there are flaws and room for improvements, Gaga's showmanship is impeccable and unrivaled that night. Which of course went unnoticed by the GP since people now-a-days prefer pitch perfect lip sync artists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I disagree. The performance was filled with lighthearted, intentional quirks. The difference between being a "pop performer" and an "artist", at least when it comes to Gaga, is the extent to which she takes herself (too) seriously. She didn't, the whole Chromatica era is for a large part about having fun. I don't think anyone stans Gaga for her dance moves. Though I agree that Gaga could have a much better choreographer. Richy's choreography can be good for professional dancers or something, but a pop artist like Gaga who doesn't have the best health to dance was in a much better place choreo-wise with the more catchy and simple dance moves that Laurieann Gibson had. With SL acoustic I do feel that she took herself a bit too seriously. The vocal runs just sound try-hard because it contrasted with Ariana's angelic vocals just a minute earlier. Besides the Sound of Music performance and some C2C performances, Gaga simply can't touch those. Maybe she felt a bit overconfident that she could improvise SL acoustic, but honestly I wasn't even expecting a SL performance, and her vocals during ROM and 911 were on point. Overall I really enjoyed (and still enjoy) the performance. I honestly expected a roughly five-minute performance, possibly at her home or with Ariana and Gaga in different places, and got this amazing nine-minute work including a fan favourite (911) and the debut performances of two singles (ROM and SL). A fun performance with overall pretty good vocals and energetic dancing, two outfit changes, a good stage, and I've watched it back at least ten times by now. It may not be among the top 5 best performances of Gaga's career, but tbh I think it's better than any pop performance she gave since 2013 besides the Super Bowl and maybe John Wayne at that fashion show. I just hope we'll get more content this era, but for the time being I'm pretty saturated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonTurnItUp 7,088 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 The only problem I always have with Gaga's performances are the choreographies, but this is not Gaga's fault ROM choreo is good and she executed it amazingly But let's be honest, 911 and SL choreo was awful, Richy's an amazing choreographer and we know it (MTN, Applause, John Wayne, ROM) but sometimes I think that he puts Gaga very complicated choreos with flashing moves that nobody can do it and sing at the same time, it sometimes affects her singing live, she fatigates (obviously) and looks a bit clumsy. They need to calm down the choreos and make soft dance moves for Chromatica Ball or Gaga's health will result very affected I fear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoremonLove 8,147 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I do respect your opinion but i cant relate. I loved it so much it was everything i wanted. Alot of ppl said she shuld have done something like the other performer i forgot her name the new artist but what i loved was the whole set up. The small room, the pole the brain piano. She actually made a physical place the best she could to show the CHROMATICA world. costumes were on point. I cant get enuf of her voice. I have watched it so many times now. also abt enigma show i will never understand how ppl dont like enigma . Its an exact week now and i cant believe she really did that. How can anoyone not love gaga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,127 Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, venusinmyhead said: I think people forget that Gaga is an incredibly intelligent human and as an artist she is aware how she‘s changed. Could she go back to the aesthics we were used from e.g. her TFM era people so often reference? She is capable and she most-certainly knows that. These are conscious artistic choices why the stage looks like that and why people dance like that and why Gaga is dressed like that etc. I think people forget that and we know Gaga has a deep and complex thinking mind so these aesthetics and her appearance have a similar origin. Let alone there is a dozen of people who most certainly are long time friend and are capable of working with her on the same level of consciousness she has. So this perfomance or how Chromatica has been promoted may look very simple to some of you but in reality it‘s high art with deep meaning that managed to be communicated with a language that doesn‘t need to be as complex to be understood. I mean i get your point, but i feel like things like a vibrant stage should not be compromised . People underestimate the power of good lighting but her oscar performance shows us what good lighting can do so much for a performance . To me the problem with her VMA performance is not gaga herself its the production which im sure she isnt 100% in control over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suuus 5,632 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I loved that there were little references to some songs on the album Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,127 Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Marjol said: To me this was very similar to Gaga live shows. So in that sense it fits her very well. It's almost like she put the Chromatica Ball stage in a tv studio. The levels with the appartment and the pole to go down reminds me a lot of the Monster Ball buildings, the BTW ball bedroom, Roseland tree house. The way the musicians are in sight but also hidden in their own little space. The turning 'quick change' booths. The piano that is integrated into the stage. Everything screaming Gaga on tour to me, even her performance style. This was quintessentially Gaga just as much as previous award show performances. But it stands out because it's not a single concept like her previous award show performances, but it prefers to concert Gaga and that's a first for the VMA'S. This was the most beautiful part of the performance for me and it lasted only 20 seconds . Look at the props and ligting in the plastic doll stage up until she flipped her hair. Immidiatly 911 started its like the lights went dull Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,127 Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 Just now, Suuus said: I loved that there were little references to some songs on the album I loved that too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,127 Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 59 minutes ago, giskardsb said: you didn't really though. While commenting that there may be reasons she didn't "rehearse" enough, you still call out her performance for not being rehearsed enough anyway. You might as well as not even bothered giving reasons why that might be the case, because in the end it didn't change your viewpoint. I just find it interesting that so many Gaga fans are seemingly unable to enjoy the great things she gives, instead allowing the small percentage of things they don't like overwhelm them to the point,as you've said, you won't even re-watch a show where "Gaga gave great vocals and 1000% stage presence and energy." I never critiqued gagas vocals and dancing . They were okay for me. I brought up the rehearsal part because for some people the singing and dancing were not on par and even tho for me they were pretty decent i cannot say their critiques are completely dumbfounded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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