Cocoon 83 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I'm kinda shocked by the number of trump supporters here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,296 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I'm sorry, but what the hell has Trump got to do with anything "working class"? Son of privilege, spent his life as a playboy grifter. His policies are just standard Republican stuff (tax cuts for the rich, mainly), with the racism turned up to 11 (which actually benefits nobody). None of it is remotely pro-worker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Yeah, but swing states made him win. Republicans were always going to vote for him. They didn’t make him president though. People who voted for Obama AND Trump made him president. Trump even won some red states by less points than past candidates. It’s not exactly the extreme right wingers who put him there. It’s the average white swing state voter who did. They rejected Clinton because they rejected Obama at the time. Tons of first time voters and voters that hadn’t come out in ages came out to vote for him. In swing states, third party voters and people who decided not to vote gave him those states. Two voters per precinct could have made the difference, but people wanted to throw their vote away or stay home. They put Trump in office, along with the idiots that voted for him. The evangelicals and those that wanted a bully put Trump in office. People who voted for Trump, they were okay with racism- that’s millions of voters that aren’t considered “extreme right wingers”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndiGaga 6,802 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Wtf is wrong with u all for not supporting her support for the democratic nominee You'd rather have a president who cuts off your right? Ok thanks, shame on u! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisGuyTony 31,022 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Just get rid of Trump and his minions first then we can elect the people we want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Bardot 3,990 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Yeah, but swing states made him win. Republicans were always going to vote for him. They didn’t make him president though. People who voted for Obama AND Trump made him president. Trump even won some red states by less points than past candidates. It’s not exactly the extreme right wingers who put him there. It’s the average white swing state voter who did. They rejected Clinton because they rejected Obama at the time. Moderates in the rust belt gave Trump the presidency. You can see Iowa and Ohio as an example, too many moderates that voted for Obama AND Trump as you said. And then too many of those moderates flipped Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Hell, even Missouri and Kansas almost flipped and turned blue in 2008, then in 2016 they were double digits for Trump. Choosing Hillary as a candidate in 2016 was a huge mistake imo, no moderates liked her at all! pooiota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,365 Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Whispering said: Tons of first time voters and voters that hadn’t come out in ages came out to vote for him. In swing states, third party voters and people who decided not to vote gave him those states. Two voters per precinct could have made the difference, but people wanted to throw their vote away or stay home. They put Trump in office, along with the idiots that voted for him. The evangelicals and those that wanted a bully put Trump in office. People who voted for Trump, they were okay with racism- that’s millions of voters that aren’t considered “extreme right wingers”. He won by 70,000 votes. Hillary got nearly 3M more. He won because of a very specific demographic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckles 2,549 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I think she should be speaking out about USPS such as TS did, your vote won't matter if it can't be delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Bardot 3,990 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, Whispering said: Tons of first time voters and voters that hadn’t come out in ages came out to vote for him. In swing states, third party voters and people who decided not to vote gave him those states. Two voters per precinct could have made the difference, but people wanted to throw their vote away or stay home. They put Trump in office, along with the idiots that voted for him. The evangelicals and those that wanted a bully put Trump in office. People who voted for Trump, they were okay with racism- that’s millions of voters that aren’t considered “extreme right wingers”. I think you don't understand how many people were tired of always the same bullshit; republican or democrat. The people who gave Trump the presidency only voted for him because he wasn't a politician at the time. Kind of like an experiment to see what would happen if a bussinessman ruled the country. This discussion is not about emotion, it's more about desperation of having the same bullshit government for decades. Trump didn't represent the republican party 100% when he started his campaign, however republicans were indeed smarter than democrats, because they knew Trump was going to appeal to the middle-low class white citizens, people who actually VOTE,and that was something Hillary wasn't ever going to do. pooiota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,108 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 8:24 PM, Pennywise said: I already told in my first comment that I am not American, I cannot vote, and I don't particularly care for whoever wins the election either. I used to, since, like, freedom for everyone and all that, but honestly I lost all hope in politics worldwide. I just don't like gaslighting, and feel the need to call it out whenever I see it. And I expect Democrats to be, y'know, better than Republicans but I can't see where that line is anymore. The thing was it WAS a fair race even if the twitter discourse says otherwise. Really, even Astead Wesley and Dave Weigel (Bernie Bro journos) admit it. Bernie never could crack above 25% with AA voters 95% of the time & you just can't win a primary in the US with those numbers. Biden easily crushed the polling with AA voters & the only time he did poorly was when Bloomberg came in and ate into his voter share.... I mean it was a big red flashing sign when some polls had Biden, Bloom, and then Bernie in 3rd with Black voters. The one time Bernie was polling better with AA voters it ended up being like 30% Bernie, 28% Biden, 25% Bloom...and all of Bloom's people went to Biden. Black journalists–including Black progressives—were discussing this for months and months (h*ll years) but it basically got ignored by the mainstream white progressive outlets. At the end of the day, you can't win a primary here in the US without carrying at the very least 35% of the AA vote (AA votes are the deciding factor in NC, GA, AL, LA, SC, VA, & NY). AA voters are also a huge factor in FL & TX. Bernie barely won younger Black voters in some cases & got crushed with over 35+. Not to mention Biden's campaign was so poor at one point it wasn't even running ads in Texas and barely running ads in Nevada. I get that it's frustrating—I'm a progressive who was more into Warren, Castro, and then Bernie—but people need to stop erasing Black voters—particularly +35 Black women in the South—who are the bedrock of the Democratic party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,108 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Henri Bardot said: Choosing Hillary as a candidate in 2016 was a huge mistake imo, no moderates liked her at all! I dislike putting it all on Hillary—there were multiple factors including sexism—but it's clear she was specifically part of the problem (not so much a rejection of Obama or her political stances or so on). The same white moderates who rejected her are going for Biden & the undecided percentage (which was massive back in '16 and ended up going in Trump's favor) is tiny now. TBH as a progressive we would have been far, far better off if Biden had run in '16 with Warren as his VP (which was his original plan...they supposedly discussed launching a joint ticket). His "likeability" poll #s were even higher back in '16. A Biden/Warren '16-24 would have easily set the ground for a good, solid progressive to run in '24 (maybe Warren herself despite her age). Now, we're probably not getting a progressive until '32 (well, I guess Harris is kind of a prog.). I know people keep talking about AOC, but she's too young & I can't see her winning the rust belt/mods/FL over. I'm crossing my fingers Tammy Baldwin gets in the race in '24 or '28 (she's just as progressive as AOC but has more of a "rust belt" factor imo). A Baldwin/Gallego ticket would sweep the rust belt and the sun belt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,916 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Nemo said: I'm sorry, but what the hell has Trump got to do with anything "working class"? Son of privilege, spent his life as a playboy grifter. His policies are just standard Republican stuff (tax cuts for the rich, mainly), with the racism turned up to 11 (which actually benefits nobody). None of it is remotely pro-worker. His broken promises. He ran a working class right wing populist presidential campaign where he promised things like bringing back jobs from China, building a wall to “save people from the Mexicans”, and draining the corrupt swamp and it was all a lie. You’re right he has government like a standard corporate Republican, and that’s why he’s losing lotta support now, because he switched Up. Obama did the exact same thing w his 2008 campaign too... unknowns really can’t be trusted huh 14 hours ago, Cocoon said: I'm kinda shocked by the number of trump supporters here... Where? Pretty sure everybody dragging is from the left... Democrats are not the end of the left leaning political spectrum. In fact they’re considered a centre right wing party if you account for other western countries like in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: He won by 70,000 votes. Hillary got nearly 3M more. He won because of a very specific demographic. He won by two votes per precinct in swing states. Yep, white folks that were okay with racism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: His broken promises. He ran a working class right wing populist presidential campaign where he promised things like bringing back jobs from China, building a wall to “save people from the Mexicans”, and draining the corrupt swamp and it was all a lie. You’re right he has government like a standard corporate Republican, and that’s why he’s losing lotta support now, because he switched Up. Obama did the exact same thing w his 2008 campaign too... unknowns really can’t be trusted huh Where? Pretty sure everybody dragging is from the left... Democrats are not the end of the left leaning political spectrum. In fact they’re considered a centre right wing party if you account for other western countries like in Europe Obama had to repair the disastrous economy that Bush left him with. He kept us from going into a depression. Unlike Trump, he and his administration worked tirelessly to turn a recession around. Democrats are not center right. This is an American Election. This thread is about registering to vote in the US, not Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Henri Bardot said: I think you don't understand how many people were tired of always the same bullshit; republican or democrat. The people who gave Trump the presidency only voted for him because he wasn't a politician at the time. Kind of like an experiment to see what would happen if a bussinessman ruled the country. This discussion is not about emotion, it's more about desperation of having the same bullshit government for decades. Trump didn't represent the republican party 100% when he started his campaign, however republicans were indeed smarter than democrats, because they knew Trump was going to appeal to the middle-low class white citizens, people who actually VOTE,and that was something Hillary wasn't ever going to do. His bigotry and racism was completely acceptable to them, because they were okay with bigotry. The Republican Party wasn’t “smart”. They did everything in their power to stop him from being the nominee. After he was elected, they still didn’t vocally support him. They held their support until they saw such high approval with Republicans and when Trump became a Twitter bully and threatened their jobs. Then, the Republican Congress, etc. started kissing his orange ass. So do the educated white middle class and black women. Those categories went for Hillary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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