Did Taylor cause some irreparable damage to Katy?

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1 hour ago, RAMROD said:

But it is all goes back to Katy. I don't believe someone will suddenly suffer a huge setback in their life or career when they were seemingly flourished and at the top of their game the   moment before, unless they really do some bad things behind the scenes.

Gurl, we all have different beliefs and I respect that, but it's when you start making baseless accusations, that said beliefs become harmful. I mean you're questioning her morality because her singles flopped? Really?

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2 hours ago, Agunimon said:

I like Katy Perry. I think she is talented

how is she talented ?? I'm genuinely curious

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If anything, Katy is the one who made the Bad Blood situation about herself and turned it into a talking point for every single Witness promo interview 

Bad Blood is a generic song about a friendship, Taylor never dissed or named Katy. iirc she only spoke about the song once 

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

I think there were multiple reasons behind Katy's downfall and this was just one of many. But let's not act like it wasn't something crucial. Taylor has a lot of fans and they're very devoted. Turning them against another artist is going to result in a lot of lost revenue for said artist and their media portrayal isn't going to be good. Taylor knew what she was doing and for that reason, I'm surprised Katy ever forgave her. Bet Taylor didn't like it when karma hit her hard after 1989 by gifting her lots of under-performing singles and her two lowest-selling albums. That's probably why she made up with Katy like she did. She maybe feared she was heading down the same irrelevancy path and a make-up would help improve her image and sell her music again.

12 hours ago, RenegAde said:

I dont think it was the sole reason but Yes, I think their feud had something to do with katys downward spiral . Love Taylor, but she's good at playing the victim and as usual she activated her fans against Katy and got the GPs sympathy.

The sad part is that the feud went on for so long and by the time they made up the GP had already forgotten about Katy.infact many people still think they are still feuding

Exactly this. This feud went on for way longer than it needed to. It's one of the longest grudges I've seen in pop music. And for that reason, the public will never truly forget.

11 hours ago, alicefromabove said:

You're simply giving Taylor too much credit for something that had already started to happen by the end of the Prism era. 

Katy doesn't have a solid fanbase that supports her, so most of her followers are casual fans/pop fans. She hasn't reinvented herself either, so people got bored and the trendy sound changed. And she hasn't taken any risks like Gaga, to sing other type of music or act in a film. 

Props to you for picking up how Katy was already struggling with Prism because a lot of people think she only started under-performing with Witness. There were huge signs of trouble ahead when she went from 6 #1's and 2 top tens from one album to just 2 #1's and no top tens with the follow-up. Katy has always been a "massive hit or total flop" kinda artists when it comes to singles and this is where it was very evident. I predicted the trouble way back then but so many told me she'd be just as successful as ever with Witness. So, the wheels were in motion for a downfall by mid-2014 anyway, which is when it came out that Bad Blood was about her. It just added fuel to the fire.

10 hours ago, ear condom said:

how is she talented ?? I'm genuinely curious

I don't think she's the most talented person but she does write all her own music and plays acoustic guitar. She's written for other artists too. She even wrote 3 songs on her debut album completely by herself. Do I think her songs are always the best? No, but she puts her name on them, that's for sure. The people I view as untalented are the ones who never even attempt to make an effort.

10 hours ago, Spock said:

If anything, Katy is the one who made the Bad Blood situation about herself and turned it into a talking point for every single Witness promo interview 

Bad Blood is a generic song about a friendship, Taylor never dissed or named Katy. iirc she only spoke about the song once 

Taylor rarely ever names the people who she writes about, it's always been her gig. Her fans are knowledgeable enough to join the dots, however. And while she didn't say her name, Taylor made it abundantly clear that she was talking about a fellow female pop star when she said: "she tried to sabotage me, she tried to pull an entire tour out from under me by employing my back-up dancers." It doesn't take long to find out which backing dancers left Taylor and who they went on to work with. So, no, I don't buy this little miss innocent vibe from her, regardless of what I'm told to believe. That girl has been full of it for years, using victimhood to work to her advantage. I like to think by this point that she's maxed out that victim card.

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No. Katy simply went downhill cuz Dr. Luke stopped being the executive producer of her albums. He was the key to most of her successful singles.

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5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I think there were multiple reasons behind Katy's downfall and this was just one of many. But let's not act like it wasn't something crucial. Taylor has a lot of fans and they're very devoted. Turning them against another artist is going to result in a lot of lost revenue for said artist and their media portrayal isn't going to be good. Taylor knew what she was doing and for that reason, I'm surprised Katy ever forgave her. Bet Taylor didn't like it when karma hit her hard after 1989 by gifting her lots of under-performing singles and her two lowest-selling albums. That's probably why she made up with Katy like she did. She maybe feared she was heading down the same irrelevancy path and a make-up would help improve her image and sell her music again.

Exactly this. This feud went on for way longer than it needed to. It's one of the longest grudges I've seen in pop music. And for that reason, the public will never truly forget.

Props to you for picking up how Katy was already struggling with Prism because a lot of people think she only started under-performing with Witness. There were huge signs of trouble ahead when she went from 6 #1's and 2 top tens from one album to just 2 #1's and no top tens with the follow-up. Katy has always been a "massive hit or total flop" kinda artists when it comes to singles and this is where it was very evident. I predicted the trouble way back then but so many told me she'd be just as successful as ever with Witness. So, the wheels were in motion for a downfall by mid-2014 anyway, which is when it came out that Bad Blood was about her. It just added fuel to the fire.

I don't think she's the most talented person but she does write all her own music and plays acoustic guitar. She's written for other artists too. She even wrote 3 songs on her debut album completely by herself. Do I think her songs are always the best? No, but she puts her name on them, that's for sure. The people I view as untalented are the ones who never even attempt to make an effort.

Taylor rarely ever names the people who she writes about, it's always been her gig. Her fans are knowledgeable enough to join the dots, however. And while she didn't say her name, Taylor made it abundantly clear that she was talking about a fellow female pop star when she said: "she tried to sabotage me, she tried to pull an entire tour out from under me by employing my back-up dancers." It doesn't take long to find out which backing dancers left Taylor and who they went on to work with. So, no, I don't buy this little miss innocent vibe from her, regardless of what I'm told to believe. That girl has been full of it for years, using victimhood to work to her advantage. I like to think by this point that she's maxed out that victim card.

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Nope. Bad Blood damaged more Taylor short-term. From the moment the video was released her decline from her peak started.

Katy’s career trajectory is just a result of changing music paradigms and not carving her own niche. A lack of dedicated fanbase didn’t help too. By the end of Prism questionable choices were already made. Even if she had black hair and was super sexy Witness would’ve probably still performed that way. The industry at that point didn’t allow for pop music to shine much. 

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12 hours ago, Reject False Icons said:

I guess the direct punch was when she released her records on Spotify at the same time as Witness release 

but is not like old records would block Katy’s new album from the charts in only one platform

I forgot about that

The level of pettiness I- 

I love and stan Taylor so much but it’s things like this, that though as a petty gay on the internet they make me laugh, prove she’s a villain just as much as she’s a victim 

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11 hours ago, ear condom said:

how is she talented ?? I'm genuinely curious

She’s a pretty solid songwriter. A good Katy Perry song is a great ****ing pop song, and it’s because she can writer decent to great lyrics, and has a fantastic ear for hooks.

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It added to what was happening but let's be honest it wasn't the main factor.

[FentyGa 14,340]

nah just katy’s career choices

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24 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Bet Taylor didn't like it when karma hit her hard after 1989 by gifting her lots of under-performing singles and her two lowest-selling albums. That's probably why she made up with Katy like she did. She maybe feared she was heading down the same irrelevancy path and a make-up would help improve her image and sell her music again.

 

Wait, lol, you think Reputation and Lover were "karma" for Taylor?

Reputation sold over one million copies, spawned one #1 single, spawned a music video that, at the time, broke the YouTube record, spawned two top 20 singles (remember, besides 1989, Taylor has never been a "singles" artist), spawned a sold-out stadium tour that is one of the most successful tours of all time, and overall spawned many fan's favorite era.

Lover, in the streaming age, still nearly hit the one million mark for first week sales, spawned "Me!" which went to #2, broke the YouTube record and also broke the highest single-week jump record for Billboard, spawned YNTCD which also went #2, and would have seen Taylor performing two nights in the two biggest stadiums in North America pre-Covid.

Now, I am a huge Taylor Swift fan, but even I didn't like most of Lover and roughly half of Reputation (although that is my favorite era), but these eras/albums could never be considered "bad karma" for taking out another pop star (if that's what you think she did, personally I blame it on Katy's bad music). Literally no other artist can reach these accomplishments these days. No one. So no, she didn't go and make up with Katy to regain success. She didn't fear she was headed down the same irrelevancy path. Those are such absurd, baseless opinions.

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I don't think Katy has made the best career choices but she hasn't made terrible ones either. She was huge in the moment because she was new and fresh and had hella catchy songs that stood out from the other big stars at the time. Unfortunately she just hasn't continued to stand out over time. As an artist ages in the industry you either constantly scramble and hustle to stay relevant or you earn respect from the general public by proving your talent and uniqueness. JLo would be a prime example of someone who is talented but not overly so (at least in one field) and works extremely hard to maintain her status. Gaga is an example of the other. She's went through her ups and downs with the GP but held on and proved without a shadow of a doubt she is a superstar and someone who can command attention. Katy just isn't either one of those. 

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14 hours ago, raragaga said:

the only damage for katy is that taylor makes better music 

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