Madonna, Dua Lipa: Put Palestine on the map

[coolninjaguy 1,239]

4 hours ago, PerfectGUY said:

you're so problematic.... Plain antisemitism

Jews have been chased of countries consistently for 5000 years. The only way for them to truly have a safe haven is to have their own country. They were given the land of Israel.
- Israel being a land where there historically have been the most jews in the world for the longest time

- Israel being a tiny tiny tiny country (it's not like they gave the jews a whole region, they literally gave a tiny piece of land to have a home whenever they would be chased)

- Palestine not being an official country until the creation of Israel but rather a community (which of course doesn't mean local people weren't attached to this land, I'm not denying that)

- Palestine being talked about a lot in the torah as the land of Israel (stating this as people often forget that the word Palestine is part of jewish history)

- the land of Israel being a literal empty desert in the middle of nowhere. No ressources like oil extraction (unlike a lot of other middle eastern countries) that would justify the conflicts.

- Israel being the only democracy in the Middle East. A place where Arab people have more rights than in their muslim neighbor countries. Yet people are quick to criticize Israel's lack of humanity when a muslim woman in Saoudi Arabia is not allowed to drive or vote yet a muslim woman in Israel is allowed of both; when LGBT people are punishable of death in most of these countries and can live freely in Israel and so on... It comes off as hypocrite and antisemitic to be so critical of Israel for "human rights" reasons and to defend those other ones.

All of these reasons are more than enough to understand that no one should ever question the very existence of Israel as a necessity for the jewish people. There is dozens of muslim countries, dozens of christian countries. But when the jews (the oldest monotheist religion), get a tiny portion of land (incomparably small with the territories of other religious countries) where they can feel safe after being chased and killed for 5000 years it suddenly causes so much discussion

YES the Israeli government is far from the best and it needs to change

NO the existence of Israel should never be questioned as it is straight antisemitism 

no people just deserve a land at the expense of murdering and kicking out other groups that have ALSO been living there historically. israeli's literally have no more rights to that land than any other group that was residing in the region before they came. it's not about how "tiny" the land is, they — to this day — are committing war crimes in proclaiming the land as theirs. you don't use your religious scripture to justify your rights to a land and even if you do the torah clearly says the land was stolen by the jews from the canaanites (descendants of the palestinians and other groups) — so either way your argument for that is false.

also i don't understand how the human rights violations of the bordering countries has anything to do with this. have i once stated that i condone saudi arabia for doing all that whilst condemning israel for its human rights violations. i condemn any belligerant regime that acts the way israel does and i will stand by that instead of making excuses and saying "oh but that country is also doing x, y, z so israel gets a pass". tell that to a palestinian mother who just saw her son killed on his birthday "but its okay cus saudi beheads lgbt" — this train of thought is just disgusting. 

furthermore, i highly recommend that you do some research into the meaning of antisemitism to fully get a grasp of the terms before throwing it around as a buzzword.

[Sherry 4,715]

1 hour ago, coolninjaguy said:

no people just deserve a land at the expense of murdering and kicking out other groups that have ALSO been living there historically. israeli's literally have no more rights to that land than any other group that was residing in the region before they came. it's not about how "tiny" the land is, they — to this day — are committing war crimes in proclaiming the land as theirs. you don't use your religious scripture to justify your rights to a land and even if you do the torah clearly says the land was stolen by the jews from the canaanites (descendants of the palestinians and other groups) — so either way your argument for that is false.

also i don't understand how the human rights violations of the bordering countries has anything to do with this. have i once stated that i condone saudi arabia for doing all that whilst condemning israel for its human rights violations. i condemn any belligerant regime that acts the way israel does and i will stand by that instead of making excuses and saying "oh but that country is also doing x, y, z so israel gets a pass". tell that to a palestinian mother who just saw her son killed on his birthday "but its okay cus saudi beheads lgbt" — this train of thought is just disgusting. 

furthermore, i highly recommend that you do some research into the meaning of antisemitism to fully get a grasp of the terms before throwing it around as a buzzword.

People who still support Israel are also supporting Human Rights Violation and there is no denying that. These people will keep defending the oppressors until they themselves experience it. Then they'll know what it feels to lose a home.

[coolninjaguy 1,239]

3 hours ago, Sherry1411 said:

People who still support Israel are also supporting Human Rights Violation and there is no denying that. These people will keep defending the oppressors until they themselves experience it. Then they'll know what it feels to lose a home.

THIS. at the end of the day you can't justify kicking someone out of their house, that they have been living for in years, bc your imaginary religion says that this land is yours. no one person or people "own" a land. people die, humans migrate, empire's fall; this has existed for centuries. you don't justify stealing land + committing other inexcusable human rights violations because wE hAvE nOwHeRe On EaRtH tO CaLl OuRs... so many groups from the sikhs to the kurds don't have their own country and you certainly don't see them kicking out other groups and calling an entire region as theirs. why don't israeli's give them a chunk of israel because they are so for having every group have a land, oh wait israel isn't even theirs... as an outsider, from what i've seen and read, israel is doing the exact same thing that the nazi's did to jews during ww2. people don't hate oppression, they hate being the one's oppressed. 

 

 

[Sherry 4,715]

6 hours ago, coolninjaguy said:

THIS. at the end of the day you can't justify kicking someone out of their house, that they have been living for in years, bc your imaginary religion says that this land is yours. no one person or people "own" a land. people die, humans migrate, empire's fall; this has existed for centuries. you don't justify stealing land + committing other inexcusable human rights violations because wE hAvE nOwHeRe On EaRtH tO CaLl OuRs... so many groups from the sikhs to the kurds don't have their own country and you certainly don't see them kicking out other groups and calling an entire region as theirs. why don't israeli's give them a chunk of israel because they are so for having every group have a land, oh wait israel isn't even theirs... as an outsider, from what i've seen and read, israel is doing the exact same thing that the nazi's did to jews during ww2. people don't hate oppression, they hate being the one's oppressed. 

 

 

Exactly. They can remove Palestine from maps but not from our hearts. 

[PerfectGUY 7,822]

17 hours ago, coolninjaguy said:

furthermore, i highly recommend that you do some research into the meaning of antisemitism to fully get a grasp of the terms before throwing it around as a buzzword.

denying the right of Israel to exist is antisemitism

In France you're allowed to criticize the government of Israel but not its existence as it is antisemitism. Look it up

I never defended the settlements politics of Israel which I think is a shame. But that has to do with the government. 
You saying Israel shouldn't exist is wrong

all lands were built upon conflicts, yet I don't see you actively criticizing every country and putting in question the existence of every other country...

If you don't get why the jews deserve a tiny piece of land where they can feel safe less than a century when half of the world jewish population got murdered which is 6M people, then you're antisemitic period. Even more knowing acts of antisemitism never truly stopped since then 

Anyway your argument about canaanites is bulls**t as Palestinians are nowhere near related to them as canaanites is an extinct population. Palestinians are Arabs for the most part.

about my argument about Saudi Arabia : my point is that Saudi Arabia has less moral values than Israel. Yet you don't put in question the very existence of the country. So why can't you admit Israel is a country that is worth existing for :

- being the only place in the world truly providing shelter to endangered jews for the centuries to come after so many disasters

- being an multicultural place where communities coexist freely (same rights for jewish Israelis, muslim Israelis and christian Israelis)

- being the only democracy in the middle east

- being one of the only places in the Middle East where LGBT are not passible of death, and Tel Aviv being the biggest pride city

- with such a tiny land with no natural ressources, being a haven for progress and technology 

Why wanting to destroy such a place if you're sane and not antisemitic ? 
YES Israel needs a new government and it will get there. YES the conflict needs to end as innocents are being killed

YES the settlements should be given back

But apart from that, why saying Israel should be erased from existence ? If you truly want Israel destroyed, what about the homes of the Israelis that have been living there for decades ? Aren't you acting the same as what you're criticizing ?

[vixdean 1,061]

On 7/21/2020 at 12:16 AM, frederiickx said:

Dua 

Madonna only does anything for attention. She doesn't care about anyone other than herself and $$$

Not when Madonna has a history of activism like no other artist running all the way from the 1980s...

Some monsters have such a resentment towards Madonna that they try to rewrite history, just like Trump supporters and their constant historical and factual revisionism.

Everyone is within their right to have different views, but don’t make stuff up... It’s not a good look.

[Sherry 4,715]

4 hours ago, PerfectGUY said:

denying the right of Israel to exist is antisemitism

In France you're allowed to criticize the government of Israel but not its existence as it is antisemitism. Look it up

I never defended the settlements politics of Israel which I think is a shame. But that has to do with the government. 
You saying Israel shouldn't exist is wrong

all lands were built upon conflicts, yet I don't see you actively criticizing every country and putting in question the existence of every other country...

If you don't get why the jews deserve a tiny piece of land where they can feel safe less than a century when half of the world jewish population got murdered which is 6M people, then you're antisemitic period. Even more knowing acts of antisemitism never truly stopped since then 

Anyway your argument about canaanites is bulls**t as Palestinians are nowhere near related to them as canaanites is an extinct population. Palestinians are Arabs for the most part.

about my argument about Saudi Arabia : my point is that Saudi Arabia has less moral values than Israel. Yet you don't put in question the very existence of the country. So why can't you admit Israel is a country that is worth existing for :

- being the only place in the world truly providing shelter to endangered jews for the centuries to come after so many disasters

- being an multicultural place where communities coexist freely (same rights for jewish Israelis, muslim Israelis and christian Israelis)

- being the only democracy in the middle east

- being one of the only places in the Middle East where LGBT are not passible of death, and Tel Aviv being the biggest pride city

- with such a tiny land with no natural ressources, being a haven for progress and technology 

Why wanting to destroy such a place if you're sane and not antisemitic ? 
YES Israel needs a new government and it will get there. YES the conflict needs to end as innocents are being killed

YES the settlements should be given back

But apart from that, why saying Israel should be erased from existence ? If you truly want Israel destroyed, what about the homes of the Israelis that have been living there for decades ? Aren't you acting the same as what you're criticizing ?

What about homes of the Palestinians who were also living there?? Your logic is weird. Jews could've peacefully live there with the Muslims. But of course they had to be greedy at some point. It's just like how you'd invite somebody to your house and they end up kicking you out and never leaving. Stop defending Human Rights Violation. Stop defending Israel. Stop defending oppression. Stop defending a genocide. Stop defending rape. Stop defending the destruction. Stop defending murderers.