Dua Lipa posts about Albania

[FameMonster01 7,071]

12 minutes ago, Andreu said:

 Dua Lipa has been the #1 trending topic on spanish twitter since last night because of this controversy

wtf in Spain too???

[TSUNAMI 21,016]

14 minutes ago, Aussie said:

Ok...

Please write your complete thought. The topic is way too sensitive for a sarcastic "Ok...", I would love to be educated further. 

 

[XavierS 9]

14 hours ago, FameMonster01 said:

I am from the balkans ( where Albania is) and let me tell you, most of these countries only have a small minority of albanians living there, most of Albanians living on the land of Serbia, for example, came during the turkish/ottoman invasion 500 years ago. ( Although Albanians ARE native to Albania and balkans), anyhow I would not call them the natives if they were only living in Serbia since 500 years ago, since Serbia has a way greater history than 500 years ago! Also Croats and Serbs are native people of Bosnia, yet it is forbidden to claim Bosnia as their " land".

My point is, it's a veeery complex issue and she made a grave mistake spreading propaganda. She really shouldn't have touched into this topic

Personally dont know where you checked your history facts, that Albanians live on the land of Serbia, or other countries. With a simple search you can find that Albanians ancestors are Illyrians, long long before the slavic tribes migrated towards albanian lands. On 1913 the albanian lands were divided and given to Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and other countries. It was the biggest injustice ever done to albanians from UK,US,Germany,Russia and other big countries. Today more then 95% of the population of Kosovo is albanian, even though Milloshevic tried the extinction of the population in Kosovo, there are reports from United Nations that prove this, the massacre done in Kosovo is one of the biggest masacre in the history of modern world, and today the minister of Milloshevic, in the role of president of Serbia now ( Vuçiç) keeps repeating the same injustice that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Do you know why? Because of the gold mine in Mitrovica, there’s why they still keep trying to get Mitrovica in Serbian territory once again. So please, before arriving to conclusions check the history facts first, the Illyrian ancestors and Albania today. You can find descriptions about the Illyrian coast even on the greek literature like Iliada or Homery. 

[XavierS 9]

1 hour ago, VenusUrania said:

Yes. But the same thing could be also said for the Yugoslav war in the 90s and the Croatian independence war. Everything depends on the point of view. Every nation and state has its own interest in such matters.

My personal view is that Kosovo should be an independet state and they should put into their constitution that joining Albania should be prohibited (as the Austrians did in their constitution to prevent rejoining Germany).

The international community should oversee this process and guarantee that no Albanian Kosobar or Serb in Kosovo gets discriminated against by law and make sure that the civil sector does its job of protecting civil rights.

It is already in the constitution of Kosovo that cant be united with Albania, same way the Austrians did to prevent joining Germany, its been so since Kosovo declared indipendence.  But still Serbia isn’t pleased, because they want back Mitrovica, cause Mitrovica has the biggest gold mine in Balkan. Thats where all this is coming from.

[FameMonster01 7,071]

5 minutes ago, XavierS said:

Personally dont know where you checked your history facts, that Albanians live on the land of Serbia, or other countries. With a simple search you can find that Albanians ancestors are Illyrians, long long before the slavic tribes migrated towards albanian lands. On 1913 the albanian lands were divided and given to Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and other countries. It was the biggest injustice ever done to albanians from UK,US,Germany,Russia and other big countries. Today more then 95% of the population of Kosovo is albanian, even though Milloshevic tried the extinction of the population in Kosovo, there are reports from United Nations that prove this, the massacre done in Kosovo is one of the biggest masacre in the history of modern world, and today the minister of Milloshevic, in the role of president of Serbia now ( Vuçiç) keeps repeating the same injustice that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Do you know why? Because of the gold mine in Mitrovica, there’s why they still keep trying to get Mitrovica in Serbian territory once again. So please, before arriving to conclusions check the history facts first, the Illyrian ancestors and Albania today. You can find descriptions about the Illyrian coast even on the greek literature like Iliada or Homery. 

1) Albanians live on the land of Serbia since they arrived there 500 years ago ( on the Serbian soil). You can find examples of Albanians in Presevo, Bujanovac etc etc... 

2) Croatian lands, Serbian lands were also given to various countries, that does not give Croats, Serbs or Albanians right to claim those territories and spread propaganda in 2020. Just get over it. Yes Kosovo is semi-independent and it should remain so, I do not dispute that.  But you need to realize that this picture is spreading nationalist ideologies, this is just as if someone posted a picture of 3rd german reich and said what Dua Lipa said. You see where i'm going with this?

3) No one is denying that Albanians are native to the balkan region, but you CANNOT claim territory of North Macedonia, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro.... Respect the culture of albanians living in those places and be proud of it, but do not share pictures that are promoting your  "greater" version of the country.

4) I don't think this is about a gold mine at all, it's mostly because Kosovo means so much to the Serbs, but then again I don't care

 

[XavierS 9]

1 minute ago, FameMonster01 said:

1) Albanians live on the land of Serbia since they arrived there 500 years ago ( on the Serbian soil). You can find examples of Albanians in Presevo, Bujanovac etc etc... 

2) Croatian lands, Serbian lands were also given to various countries, that does not give Croats, Serbs or Albanians right to claim those territories and spread propaganda in 2020. Just get over it. Yes Kosovo is semi-independent and it should remain so, I do not dispute that.  But you need to realize that this picture is spreading nationalist ideologies, this is just as if someone posted a picture of 3rd german reich and said what Dua Lipa said. You see where i'm going with this?

3) No one is denying that Albanians are native to the balkan region, but you CANNOT claim territory of North Macedonia, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro.... Respect the culture of albanians living in those places and be proud of it, but do not share pictures that are promoting your  "greater" version of the country.

4) I don't think this is about a gold mine at all, it's mostly because Kosovo means so much to the Serbs, but then again I don't care

 

1) How can Albanians live in the land of Serbia when their ancestors are Illyrians?

2) Nationalist ideologies, do you know how many people were killed in Kosovo during the Sllobodan Milloshevic regime? children and women were abused sexually and killed after, and thats not ancient history, thats in 1999, like 21 years ago! there are lots of US & EU reports for that.

3)If you dont care why you’re so active in this topic? Facts show otherwise!

 

[VenusUrania 675]

13 minutes ago, XavierS said:

It is already in the constitution of Kosovo that cant be united with Albania, same way the Austrians did to prevent joining Germany, its been so since Kosovo declared indipendence.  But still Serbia isn’t pleased, because they want back Mitrovica, cause Mitrovica has the biggest gold mine in Balkan. Thats where all this is coming from.

I'm glad to hear that! But yes, economic interests play obviously a huge part in this.

[FameMonster01 7,071]

1 minute ago, XavierS said:

1) How can Albanians live in the land of Serbia when their ancestors are Illyrians?

2) Nationalist ideologies, do you know how many people were killed in Kosovo during the Sllobodan Milloshevic regime? children and women were abused sexually and killed after, and thats not ancient history, thats in 1999, like 21 years ago! there are lots of US & EU reports for that.

3)If you dont care why you’re so active in this topic? Facts show otherwise!

 

Hun, I am a Croat from Dalmatia....  Croats from Dalmatia also mixed with illyrians and we have some illyrian blood, but that doesn't give me the right to claim the entire region, how come you don't get it.

Yes Kosovo genocide should never be forgotten, and as I said I'm okay with Kosovo being independent, because nowadays 90% is the albanian majority. But what you should also know is that crimes against Kosovo Serbs have also been comitted not only by albanians but by the USA, the same country that allowed for Kosovo to be independent

I don't care about Kosovo being independent, it can be, what I DO CARE about, is this picture that promotes OTHER parts of balkan than just kosovo, being incooporated into albania like it's nothing

 

[XavierS 9]

8 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said:

Hun, I am a Croat from Dalmatia....  Croats from Dalmatia also mixed with illyrians and we have some illyrian blood, but that doesn't give me the right to claim the entire region, how come you don't get it.

Yes Kosovo genocide should never be forgotten, and as I said I'm okay with Kosovo being independent, because nowadays 90% is the albanian majority. But what you should also know is that crimes against Kosovo Serbs have also been comitted not only by albanians but by the USA, the same country that allowed for Kosovo to be independent

I don't care about Kosovo being independent, it can be, what I DO CARE about, is this picture that promotes OTHER parts of balkan than just kosovo, being incooporated into albania like it's nothing

 

Make up your mind, Kosovo should be semi-indipendent like you said in your previous post, or indipendent? Plus what kind of country can be semi-indipendent?! 
The image Dua shared, its not the end of the world, she shared a map of what used to be Albania, no one is taking back territories from Montenegro, Greece, ecc. Its just a sarcastic image of what used to be Albania about the fact the Kosovo, same as Palestine are being erased from google or apple maps, its that simple. No one is coming for Greece or other countries.

[FameMonster01 7,071]

2 minutes ago, XavierS said:

Make up your mind, Kosovo should be semi-indipendent like you said in your previous post, or indipendent? Plus what kind of country can be semi-indipendent?! 
The image Dua shared, its not the end of the world, she shared a map of what used to be Albania, no one is taking back territories from Montenegro, Greece, ecc. Its just a sarcastic image of what used to be Albania about the fact the Kosovo, same as Palestine are being erased from google or apple maps, its that simple. No one is coming for Greece or other countries.

Previously I said semi-independent because Kosovo right now IS semi-independent. It's not recognized by all UN states, only by around 55%.

Well it's not the end of the world but she is encouraging young Albanians and fueling nationalism even more... Like... Should the most famous singer in my country share pictures of what used to be Croatia??? No she shouldn't because it's in the past, those territories may have belong to your country, but now they are NOT. So stop trying to reminiscing about that,as you weren't even born back then. Accept the things they are now, just like I accept that Kosovo is on it's way to be fully independent

 

[Monster647 407]

15 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

This is heavily debated but Serbians believe they were always majority in Kosovo and other parts of the 'Greater Albania'. And there are records that point to this. 

Today, Serbs are certainly not a majority in Kosovo (not even a significant minority, they make up like 1-2% of Kosovo). Albanians are...

I don’t know what past tense you used was supposed to imply though.

[blackstar 11,512]

39 minutes ago, XavierS said:

Nationalist ideologies, do you know how many people were killed in Kosovo during the Sllobodan Milloshevic regime? children and women were abused sexually and killed after, and thats not ancient history, thats in 1999, like 21 years ago! there are lots of US & EU reports for that

 

two wrongs don't make a right. 

[blackstar 11,512]

if every country decided to reclaim their historically lost territory we would be in WW3. certain country tried to do that in late 1930's and guess what happend

[FfFfFfFF 56,022]

23 minutes ago, Monster647 said:

Today, Serbs are certainly not a majority in Kosovo (not even a significant minority, they make up like 1-2% of Kosovo). Albanians are...

I don’t know what past tense you used was supposed to imply though.

I used the past tense used to imply that in the past they were the majority. I'm not taking sides but just presenting that argument. In the past, Albanians weren't a majority in Kosovo and Serbians justify having that land because of this and Kosovo being the heartland of Serbian culture.

But just like it has been said, it's still debated. When Slavs came, the land was probably already populated by the descendants of the Illyrians and Vlachs.

[Regina George 59,387]

2 hours ago, TSUNAMI said:

Cekaj, ti pricas nasi? 

 

 

OT:

I think Dua missed the mark with this topic because it's way too complex for her to be debating with her following over instagram post. 

Even if it was not so complex she gave a really vague perspective on the topic. You can't deflate history of 30+ years into the one word instagram story. 

 

Da!