is Gaga going to play Cleopatra or not?

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1 hour ago, Gracious Gaga said:

yes, which is why a greek actress might be more deserving of the role, over an Italian actress.

I'd love to see Gaga in an epic/heroic kind of role though!

Why do we have to be this specific? 

 

It was thousands of years ago. The lineage of the family tree is so over the place and interlinked in a fused web

 

U can potentially have people who are not Greek that could be more closely related to Cleopatra herself than some of the Greeks themselves an imaginary border humans drew and call different Nations doesn't change that

 

Society likes to act woke with racial issues but really in the process they don't realize how many labels and categories that they create that people have to fit into in the process. 

 

We are a long way for simply seeing people as human beings and individuals and not making attachments based on race or background and a lot of progressives that claim to be enlightened about race in my opinion are only pushing ideas that further emphasize categories and labels to begin with and the people that had an issue with an Italian playing a Greek as far as I'm concerned prove my point right there

 

We are never going to move towards racial blindness like this. Not in 100 years

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Gal Gadot would be perfect for Cleopatra...

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38 minutes ago, TheAlexer said:

Ancient civilisation ≠ modern population of a country

Nobody own the right to portrait Cleopatra. The country and the culture she's from haven't existed in 2000 years

Also Italy is right next to Greece. Literally the same people lived in both countries. At that time Greece and Egypt were both part of the Roman Empire which obviously had it's center in Italy.

 

This is not an issue like white people portraying other races. There is no discrimination against Greek actresses so there is no need to demand film makers to cast a Greek actress for a role like Cleopatra.

 

 

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She would be typecast as a nose actress

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55 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

Gal Gadot would be perfect for Cleopatra...

She is beautiful but not edgy enough. Her face is too pretty. Cleopatra is known for being unconventionally attractive yet extremely seductive and inteliigent. So i think they are going to cast a more alternative type of beauty.

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Would Gaga be perfect for the role? Yes 
Would I love to see her in this role? Yes
Do I worry that a lot of people don't seem to understand Cleopatra's ethnicity, and therefore will probably become stupidly angry and thus damage Gaga's image to the GP's eyes? Also yes 

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50 minutes ago, TheAlexer said:

Ancient civilisation ≠ modern population of a country

Nobody own the right to portrait Cleopatra. The country and the culture she's from haven't existed in 2000 years

Also Italy is right next to Greece. Literally the same people lived in both countries. At that time Greece and Egypt were both part of the Roman Empire which obviously had it's center in Italy.

 

This is not an issue like white people portraying other races. There is no discrimination against Greek actresses so there is no need to demand film makers to cast a Greek actress for a role like Cleopatra.

 

Hmm you can't just dismiss the culture and famous people of a country..

It's just like when in the Versace tv show all the actors of the the Italian real people where not Italian, it was a mockery.

 

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1 hour ago, TheAlexer said:

Ancient civilisation ≠ modern population of a country

Nobody own the right to portrait Cleopatra. The country and the culture she's from haven't existed in 2000 years

Also Italy is right next to Greece. Literally the same people lived in both countries. At that time Greece and Egypt were both part of the Roman Empire which obviously had it's center in Italy.

 

This is not an issue like white people portraying other races. There is no discrimination against Greek actresses so there is no need to demand film makers to cast a Greek actress for a role like Cleopatra.

 

I don’t get what that middle part of your post is saying. Italians and Greeks are still two separate ethnicities and cultures despite Greece being under Roman control at one point. Greece was also under Turkish control for hundreds of years and the countries are next to each other. Doesn’t mean a Turkish person should portray a Greek and vice versa. Don’t take this as an attack at all, I’m just trying to clarify what I think you mean. 

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I think there's plenty of stories, especially from Egypt, that have been untouched. We don't really need another story about Cleopatra. 

I'd like to Gaga in the role of some wholesome earth witch, or as a mother who finds herself in a different world due to her children's choices. 

Like there's so many roles. We don't need another Cleopatra. 

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At the end of the day the whole thing about getting the right actors to play certain characters comes down to skin colour not culture. Since Greeks and Italians are the same skin colour nobody would make a fuss over an Italian playing a Greek (except the extreme leftists that would flood social media claiming Cleo was Egyptian and should be played by someone with a more tanned skin tone until they are proven wrong). The same goes the other way too, if someone was playing MLK it wouldn’t matter what country from Africa that actor is originally from but that fact that he is black is what’s important. So to everyone debating in this thread, theoretically an Italian gaga playing an Ancient Greek queen shouldn’t pose an issue. I would love her as Cleo

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1 hour ago, TheAlexer said:

This is not an issue like white people portraying other races. There is no discrimination against Greek actresses so there is no need to demand film makers to cast a Greek actress for a role like Cleopatra.

I completely agree w you on this.  not sure twitter cancel culture will tho  

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6 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

I completely agree w you on this.  not sure twitter cancel culture will tho  

Who would cancel her tho 

Cleo is a Greek queen in Ancient Egypt and as an Egyptian I can tell you everyone was sorta excited here with the Gaga Cleo rumours . The ones who will be mad are probably Americans who insist that we are black lmfao

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5 minutes ago, Candy Gaga said:

Who would cancel her tho 

Cleo is a Greek queen in Ancient Egypt and as an Egyptian I can tell you everyone was sorta excited here with the Gaga Cleo rumours . The ones who will be mad are probably Americans who insist that we are black lmfao

I remember when the Gaga/Cleo rumors surfaced, twitted did have an uproar saying she is not ethically/racial correct for the role. 

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I think this role would be too controversial for her to take & ultimately not worth it for her.

Cleo was Greek, but there's so many people that are never going to be convinced despite historical evidence (and I can see why people doubt historians sometimes because they can be very racist & misogynistic, but in this case, I think all evidence points to her being Greek). Maybe if Gaga was more ethnically ambiguous people would accept the casting (like people thinking Penelope Cruz isn't white), but she's not. The movie & her performance in it would have to be fire for her to overcome that. Denis Villenueve would defintely have to be directing, but that remains to be seen. When he talked about it last he mentioned it being "a long shot." I also feel like Dune is going to flop, and that appears to severely affect what type of projects a director gets (like for a classic example, after The Thing underperformed, John Carpenter got taken off of Firestarter, which was considered a big project at the time). 

So if Villenueve's particpation is iffy, then I think it's a No. I think Cleopatra would have be a critical success, and having a director like him would make that happen because I just don't feel like there's a big audience for movie like this, so box office is likely going to be meh. It's got to be at least one or the other. So yeah, not worth it, don't want her in it if it's just going to be discussed on This Had Oscar Buzz a few years later. 

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Ughh i thought i could start a endless conversation about race and focus on how iconic Gaga would be for the role of the queen of the Nile