HorusRa2 5,005 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, MJHolland said: I mean... whether Joe wins or not... isn't up to Bernie... it's up to us. Including Bernie's former and current supporters. History is a chose your own adventure game — it's very fun like that! So let's make Trump a one term president. And stop the infighting that no one wants to see. Let's just elect Biden and move on from this national nightmare of an administration. I dont feel like arguing with you abouy Hillary and Warren. I have disdain for both and we both know you/I arent going to budge. What I will tell you is im still an undecided voter. Im obviously not voting for Trump. I dont like the likely Green candidate. So we are either not voting on presidential ticket and voting progressive or democrat down ballot or im voting for Joe. Joe continues to give reasons why not to vote for him and only gives me reasons to vote against him. In all likelihood, the only way he gets my vote is if Trump gets even worse or we get back to where we were in January with Iran but with idk say China or whatever country he decides to bully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Bernie fans before the primary: "He knows whats best for the country!" Bernie fans now: "HE SOLD HIS SOUL" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harris Walz 2024 1,451 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Ahhh one big happy family now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: I dont feel like arguing with you abouy Hillary and Warren. I have disdain for both and we both know you/I arent going to budge. What I will tell you is im still an undecided voter. Im obviously not voting for Trump. I dont like the likely Green candidate. So we are either not voting on presidential ticket and voting progressive or democrat down ballot or im voting for Joe. Joe continues to give reasons why not to vote for him and only gives me reasons to vote against him. In all likelihood, the only way he gets my vote is if Trump gets even worse or we get back to where we were in January with Iran but with idk say China or whatever country he decides to bully. Ok, agreed. At the very least, I hope you find the resources I linked in my other responses to be informative. Honestly, I am very glad that even though you don't like your choices for president, you are still voting. That is what matters. And I do hope that we have a huge wave in the Dem/progressive down ballot! If Donald Trump is still president next year, we better hope for our kid's and grandkid's sake that we turn the Senate blue. They are the ones that are going to be hurt by Trump's conservative judicial nominees, inaction of police reform, and a collapsed healthcare system. At the very least, we have to safeguard our future by eliminating Trump's ability do no anymore harm... or we could just eliminate Trump! And that's how I see that election. I'm not thrilled with my choices, but I'm not ready to give up fighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Democrats 2020 said: Ahhh one big happy family now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Adakam said: Bernie fans before the primary: "He knows whats best for the country!" Bernie fans now: "HE SOLD HIS SOUL" That would be because before the primary he was speaking up against both the republicans and the Dems. Now hes by and large absent from the conversation and is constantly stumping for Joe on the media. How does that not make sense to you? Bernie voters hated the democratic party as it currently exists and wanted to reform the party into Bernies likeness with regard to ideology. He definitely sold out. I considered him to be a hero. He disappointed me just as heroes and heroines do. Its not more complicated than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,675 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, MJHolland said: One has to wonder why Bernie's woman campaign opponents seemingly all have negative experiences related to him. And I don't think it's fair to say that Bernie is more open to working with Biden now because they spent a few more years together on Capitol Hill thirty years ago. Simply offering one explanation I see out of the many that probably are true as to why Bernie doesn't get along with Hillary, Warren, and other women in politics. Not a Biden supporter talking about mistreating women... Maybe if you actually knew more than crumbs about the 3 of their records and how it affected their relationship... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: That would be because before the primary he was speaking up against both the republicans and the Dems. Now hes by and large absent from the conversation and is constantly stumping for Joe on the media. How does that not make sense to you? Bernie voters hated the democratic party as it currently exists and wanted to reform the party into Bernies likeness with regard to ideology. He definitely sold out. I considered him to be a hero. He disappointed me just as heroes and heroines do. Its not more complicated than that. Because you keep seeing it as a me vs. them thing. Just because Biden doesnt 100% follow what Bernie wants doesnt mean that Bernie sees him and the DNC as the enemy, its not black or white for him, its not "all or nothing" for him. Its not "go 100% progressive or **** the country" for him. He knows that its up to young people to make the country progressive in the future, but he also knows that such a thing wont be possible under a red-controlled country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 hours ago, PartySick said: He best be the general climate in the US, imo, is shifting left. Once there's a mass die off of boomers, the center will become the right. So he needs to put Democrats on the path to dominate that new era. except Gen Z is considered to be towards the middle. And Gen X is slowly becoming more conservative. Dream on Bleeding Heart millennials I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 174,274 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, President Biden said: Dream on Bleeding Heart millennials Is this really necessary? it just screams "don't take me seriously" Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Adakam said: Because you keep seeing it as a me vs. them thing. Just because Biden doesnt 100% follow what Bernie wants doesnt mean that Bernie sees him and the DNC as the enemy, its not black or white for him, its not "all or nothing" for him. Its not "go 100% progressive or **** the country" for him. He knows that its up to young people to make the country progressive in the future, but he also knows that such a thing wont be possible under a red-controlled country. The DNC and Joe Biden are enemies. Also, a progressive future is not possibe when the democratic party is nothing but controlled opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, HorusRa2 said: The DNC and Joe Biden are enemies. Also, a progressive future is not possibe when the democratic party is nothing but controlled opposition. Well, thats your perspective, one that Bernie doesnt share, but that doesnt mean he sold his soul just because he isnt as "all or nothing" as you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Adakam said: Well, thats your perspective, one that Bernie doesnt share, but that doesnt mean he sold his soul just because he isnt as "all or nothing" as you. Actually, since its my opinion, im free to make whatever conclusions I want to about his choices. Its funny because when it was the primary I was accused of being part of a cult like following with regard to Bernie. And now that I disagree with him but he agrees with neoliberal gagadaily all of a sudden, im told I need to somehow listen to or agree with Bernie. No. I was never a Bernie sychopant. Bernie was just the first high profile politician that shared something close to my ideology. Now that he has proven himself incapable of calling out the establishment even though recent events proved him to be right in more ways than one, im going to speak out about that too. And im not going to stop speaking my truth because moderates on gagadaily find these conversations uncomfortable and because yall want to go back to, "R bad, D good." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemonster19284 28 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I understand some of you are unhappy about Biden being the nominee, but either Biden Or trump will be president, so when you’re all attacking Biden, all you’re doing is campaigning for trump, for free. And we’re gonna have 4 more years, and yes it will be your fault if you don’t vote for Biden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: Actually, since its my opinion, im free to make whatever conclusions I want to about his choices. Its funny because when it was the primary I was accused of being part of a cult like following with regard to Bernie. And now that I disagree with him but he agrees with neoliberal gagadaily all of a sudden, im told I need to somehow listen to or agree with Bernie. No. I was never a Bernie sychopant. Bernie was just the first high profile politician that shared something close to my ideology. Now that he has proven himself incapable of calling out the establishment even though recent events proved him to be right in more ways than one, im going to speak out about that too. And im not going to stop speaking my truth because moderates on gagadaily find these conversations uncomfortable and because yall want to go back to, "R bad, D good." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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