AJRocketMan 2,684 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ICouldntThinkOfOne said: Interesting points made, but I tend to disagree about certain points on BTW. The Born This Way album is cohesive in the sense that it is inspired, for the most part, by 80's genres; the madonna/whitney Houston style dance on tracks like BTW or Fashion of His Love, Or Marry The Night, the stadium rock on You and I, The Queen, Electric Chapel and Bad Kids, EOG. Glam Punk elements in HML, Government Hooker etc. Even the melodies are incredibly 80's in their delivery. Its basis is very much American Icons of the 80s, with modernity tinged here and there. However, the biggest differences on both records is on whom the work is about. BTW was primarily focused on the listener and uplifting them. Chromatica is about Gaga. None of Born This Way is as melodic as ā80ās pop music is. Outside of the title track, I donāt think anything on the album represents Madonna music either, though I definitely agree it resembles Whitney Houstonās. Regardless, I still think the album sounds like an early 2010ās record at heart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTGOD 3,266 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I think BTW remains her biggest artisticĀ statement to this day. Everything about it, from the message to the sound is larger than life, just likeĀ Gaga was at the time. I donāt think there will be another artist capable of releasing such an album in a very long time. To think that an artist as big as Gaga released such a risky project and it became such a big success is kinda crazy to think about. I also think that you can see the first signs of Gaga fatigue aroundĀ the BTW era. She was so big and so over the top and constantly one upping herself that you couldnāt help but think āhow far will she go before she crashes?ā I firmly believeĀ that BTW set her on a course that she would be forced to continueĀ on until she physically couldnāt. ARTPOP was doomed from the start and BTW wasĀ to blame. I look forward to your ARTPOP retrospective. IĀ think that no matter how you feel aboutĀ the album, we can all agree just how important it is in Gagaās career. There is a reason why we still get 5 threads about it every day.Ā Everything surrounding it is just so fascinating, and itās easily the biggest inflection point in her career. You canāt even beginĀ to understand everything sheās done since 2013Ā until you have a clear grasp of everything that happened around the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvador Sequea 813 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, NotMyFlop said: @pop ate my heart, @Salvador SequeaĀ & @Alex SpadeĀ - Here it is!Ā Thank you so much for wanting to be tagged. I appreciate it so much. If you want to be untagged, let me know! I won't be offended.Ā YES! KEEP THEM COMINGĀ Ā This one really gave me a 'new vision' on this album. Like, true, the rest of the songs weren't as political/social statements like the lead, so it makes me wonder how could've been if it was made much more "cohesive".Ā I do believe that songs like Born This Way, Americano, Scheisse, Bad Kids and Highway Unicorn 'flow' on the same line, while other songs like Marry The Night, Hair, The Queen and The Edge Of Glory they flow in another direction.Ā And even Judas, Government Hooker, Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lover and Electric Chapel they all form part of another group. Gosh, I think this albums isn't as perfect as I once believed it wasĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFlop 1,979 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, ARTGOD said: I also think that you can see the first signs of Gaga fatigue aroundĀ the BTW era. She was so big and so over the top and constantly one upping herself that you couldnāt help but think āhow far will she go before she crashes?ā I firmly believeĀ that BTW set her on a course that she would be forced to continueĀ on until she physically couldnāt. ARTPOP was doomed from the start and BTW wasĀ to blame. I look forward to your ARTPOP retrospective. IĀ think that no matter how you feel aboutĀ the album, we can all agree just how important it is in Gagaās career. There is a reason why we still get 5 threads about it every day.Ā Everything surrounding it is just so fascinating, and itās easily the biggest inflection point in her career. You canāt even beginĀ to understand everything sheās done since 2013Ā until you have a clear grasp of everything that happened around the time. Yes! I think the "Gaga fatigue" is something that needs discussed, becauseĀ ARTPOPĀ was doomed for alot of reasons beyond the quality (or the lackthereof). I am excited to share my thoughts tomorrow! Do you want to be tagged? It's honestly one of the most fascinating album eras just because it was so plagued and she was able (over the course of many years) to be forgiven. You don't see that much with female stars.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFlop 1,979 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Salvador Sequea said: YES! KEEP THEM COMINGĀ Ā This one really gave me a 'new vision' on this album. Like, true, the rest of the songs weren't as political/social statements like the lead, so it makes me wonder how could've been if it was made much more "cohesive".Ā I do believe that songs like Born This Way, Americano, Scheisse, Bad Kids and Highway Unicorn 'flow' on the same line, while other songs like Marry The Night, Hair, The Queen and The Edge Of Glory they flow in another direction.Ā And even Judas, Government Hooker, Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lover and Electric Chapel they all form part of another group. Gosh, I think this albums isn't as perfect as I once believed it wasĀ I remember TONS of speculation beforeĀ ChromaticaĀ that there was gonna be two mini-albums; one called LADY and one called GAGA. It would've explored the duality of who she is an artist, and who she is as a persona. I wonder if a similar approach would've worked here.Ā There are definite ways a "Born This Way" theme could've been split into those three groups you made! I will say a triology of songs under the same banner would have been TOO much for the general public.Ā Whatever happened it's still a massive success in unique ways compared to most albums.Ā Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon 10,896 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 BTW remains as her most iconic era and album tbh, it feels so unique, dramatic and ambitious but it's also sad to think she was under Troy's shadow at that time and she was starting to be in a bad place, guess it's the prize she had to pay for it ... and now i just sit in silence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I think youāre onto something asĀ I keep reading (from the straightās) that they think the album was slept on at the time (as opposed to attacked like ARTPOP) and that Born This WayĀ will be viewed much more enthusiastically and insightfully, in the futureĀ Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 10,413 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, pop ate my heart said: I agree w that. But still, that doesn't make it actually cohesive in sound. It's a great album, but a bit messy in a lot parts. I mean, the transitions from Judas to Americano and thenĀ to Hair (great songs btw) are awkward af and proveĀ my point perfectly lol I think Hair just shouldnāt be on the album tbh. If you go from Judas to Americano to ScheiĆe, **** makes senseĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTGOD 3,266 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, NotMyFlop said: Yes! I think the "Gaga fatigue" is something that needs discussed, becauseĀ ARTPOPĀ was doomed for alot of reasons beyond the quality (or the lackthereof). I am excited to share my thoughts tomorrow! Do you want to be tagged? It's honestly one of the most fascinating album eras just because it was so plagued and she was able (over the course of many years) to be forgiven. You don't see that much with female stars.Ā Yes please! I think ARTPOP is a good example of how public perception, marketing and narrative are extremely fundamental for a pop artist, to the point where they canĀ completely supersede the music. There are many albums that have flopped or underperformedĀ because they were truly awful, but just as many have floppedĀ because of factors that were completely unrelated to the music. Ugh, I have so much more to say, but I think Iāll wait for your postĀ . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas P 18,380 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Please tag me, these are making my week Iām a simple guy to please, if you like Melodrama, we chill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFlop 1,979 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Ziggy said: I think Hair just shouldnāt be on the album tbh. If you go from Judas to Americano to ScheiĆe, **** makes senseĀ I adore Hair, but I see what you're saying.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvador Sequea 813 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 16 hours ago, NotMyFlop said: I remember TONS of speculation beforeĀ ChromaticaĀ that there was gonna be two mini-albums; one called LADY and one called GAGA. It would've explored the duality of who she is an artist, and who she is as a persona. I wonder if a similar approach would've worked here. I remember this. But I think we pretty much had that with Chromatica if you think about. The first act is much more "Lady" like (Alice, Free Woman, Fun Tonight) , while the second act is more "Gaga" (911, Sour Candy, Replay). The third act is like a getting together both sides (Sine From Above, 1000 Doves, Babylon).Ā Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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