ARTPOP is Gaga's most personal album

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7 minutes ago, Gagz said:

What deep cuts did she sing from The Fame or The Fame Monster on JWT?

Just Scheisse and Bloody Mary I think from Born This Way. 

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59 minutes ago, Candy Gaga said:

Yeah let's talk about the rest. MANiCURE aged like milk same with Gypsy , Sexxx Dreams and almost all of it

Also disagree what you want at this point it's obvious she doesn't care for that album anymore

I think my reaction count settled the consensus here  kidding. Those three songs you mentioned did not "age like milk" lol... They're ****ing great. Gypsy's still a fan favourite (despite it being ne of my least favourite songs on the record), Sexxx Dreams is hot AF, so I dunno where your head is at Wirth that one. She never said she doesn't care anymore hun. Clearly you were the victim of her little social experiments. She included many ARTPOP songs in her Coachella set and don't get me started on how much you clearly dislike the album. Too much bias your end but each to their own. Not particularly fussed if she doesn't like it, she makes the art but she isn't the listener. She's only trying to forget it because of the R Kelly stigma and the fact the album almost ended her career and it was a dark time. 

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43 minutes ago, gagafanobvi said:

u didnt read the paper magazine interview. she said the ARTPOP tweet was a joke and that the album is ahead of its time

I saw that and she saying that it's ahead of it's time doesn't mean she loves it. It's just like when Christina said Bionic is ahead of it's time this statement is used as a justification for an underperformance. Also listen it's not that I hate the album I don't hate a Gaga project it's just my least favourite and for me I think it's hers as well.

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31 minutes ago, ARTGOD said:

That’s not avoiding it luv. She doesn’t bring it up or perform it as much because it’s not one of her biggest commercial of critical successes so it’s obviously gonna be pushed to the side when compared to her BTW or TFM material.

She’s sung stuff from it a couple times since the era ended, she sung Sexxx Dreams and Venus at Coachella, and she’s never talked about the album in any negative way.

The fact that she doesn’t perform it or talk about it more says nothing about her love about the album, but more about preferring to focus on her hits and career highs over an album the GP probably doesn’t remember.

Little Monsters love projecting their feelings about her music onto her. She’s not gonna start hating ARTPOP no matter how much you wish that were the case, and she’s not throwing shade at Joanne on that promo picture no matter how much fans think that’s the case .

Ok 

I don't hate ARTPOP btw cause its something made by Gaga . I just think it's not a personal album and the trauma of R Kelly , Troy Carter , the album underperformance and negative reception , Applause vs Roar , DWUW video and her being not totally stable especially after breaking her hip and cancelling her biggest tour lead her to uncomfort and keeping distance with this era and album any person will under such circumstances and you're delusional if you deny it

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34 minutes ago, Gagz said:

What deep cuts did she sing from The Fame or The Fame Monster on JWT?

TFM is already a short album and she performed most of it. Also The Fame she performed all its 10 yo singles and didn't touch any singles from ARTPOP other than Applause

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15 minutes ago, Rio said:

I think my reaction count settled the consensus here  kidding. Those three songs you mentioned did not "age like milk" lol... They're ****ing great. Gypsy's still a fan favourite (despite it being ne of my least favourite songs on the record), Sexxx Dreams is hot AF, so I dunno where your head is at Wirth that one. She never said she doesn't care anymore hun. Clearly you were the victim of her little social experiments. She included many ARTPOP songs in her Coachella set and don't get me started on how much you clearly dislike the album. Too much bias your end but each to their own. Not particularly fussed if she doesn't like it, she makes the art but she isn't the listener. She's only trying to forget it because of the R Kelly stigma and the fact the album almost ended her career and it was a dark time. 

I got more positive reactions btw....kidding 

In a previous comment I mentioned those reasons you just said to why she's trying to forget about it. Ok guys she doesn't hate it ShE's OnLy TrYiNg To FoRgEt It 

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2 hours ago, xoxo Craig said:

It's not. Joanne is

The only personal songs on Joanne are Diamond Heart & Joanne, and for bonus tracks Grigio Girls. The other songs are about masturbation, her relationship with men which she talks about in almost every album anyways, female togetherness, racial/overall inequality & love. And also, all of Gaga’s albums are personal to some degree. I would even put Born This Way above Joanne as her most personal. A stripped down album with more mid-tempo/country vibes doesn’t make it more personal by default. 

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If by "personal" you meant "worst" then yes

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Just now, ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY said:

The only personal songs on Joanne are Diamond Heart & Joanne. The other songs are about masturbation, female togetherness, racial/overall inequality/love. And also, all of Gaga’s albums are personal to some degree. I would even put Born This Way above Joanne as her most personal. A stripped down album with more mid-tempo/country vibes doesn’t make it more personal by default. 

Diamond Heart 

Joanne

John Wayne

Perfect Illusion 

Million Reasons 

Sinner's Prayer 

Hey Girl

Angel Down 

Girigio Girls...

Are the most personal songs on the album, and that makes up the bulk of the record. 

I do agree that all of her albums are personal to an extent, but Gaga has never been that open and honest with us before. Joanne really was her opening up to the world. Born This Way only showed one side of Gaga, whereas Joanne showed more layers to Gaga. In a way, it was the most exposed she has ever been

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7 minutes ago, Candy Gaga said:

I got more positive reactions btw....kidding 

In a previous comment I mentioned those reasons you just said to why she's trying to forget about it. Ok guys she doesn't hate it ShE's OnLy TrYiNg To FoRgEt It 

damn right ya kidding'... 

true. how dare her even try though 😒 people like you will be happy though haha. There's probably no song deeper, more honest or more personal on Joanne than Dope, Gypsy or Swine, and that's a fact.

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I think ARTPOP and Joanne are both innately personal but Joanne is just more honest and up front about it. Overall I'd say Joanne has more personal tracks. 

ARTPOP: Swine, Mary Jane Holland, Dope, Gypsy, DWUW, Applause. 

Joanne: Diamond Heart, Million Reasons, Joanne, Angel Down, Grigio Girls, Sinner's Prayer, Perfect Illusion. 

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2 minutes ago, Candy Gaga said:

Ok 

I don't hate ARTPOP btw cause its something made by Gaga . I just think it's not a personal album and the trauma of R Kelly , Troy Carter , the album underperformance and negative reception , Applause vs Roar , DWUW video and her being not totally stable especially after breaking her hip and cancelling her biggest tour lead her to uncomfort and keeping distance with this era and album any person will under such circumstances and you're delusional if you deny it

I’m not saying there aren’t bad feelings attached to the album and its era, even the most hardcore ARTPOP stans recognize that the album was mismanaged and Gaga was overworked and depressed.

It’s exactly the fact that it was made in such a tumultuous and pivotal stage in her career what makes ARTPOP such a personal and raw experience. She touches on her rape, her substance abuse, her feelings about herself as an artist, her relationship with her fans and the media, and she deconstructs her public image as Lady Gaga. That is far more honest and personal than a lot of her other work, and the fact that it came out in a dark period in her life makes it obvious that it all comes from a place of honesty and transparency and not theatrics like it usually is.

The thing is that despite the fact that there are probably a lot of negative emotions attached to the album (reliving a dark period in your life is probably not fun) she’s never publicly stated anything negative about ARTPOP as a piece of art or her artistic decisions making the album (aside from the obvious R Kelly thing).

To me it seems like ARTPOP is a bittersweet memory for her, she clearly likes the album and the music in it, and she’s made sure to make that clear for the people that are paying attention. I also think she still stands by it as a piece of work, but it also has a lot of negative experiences surrounding it so it makes sense that she likes to revisit the album once in a while but she doesn’t wanna think about it too much.

So I’m basically answering two questions:

1- Is ARTPOP her most personal album? Yes, for all the reasons I just gave.

2- Does she try to distance herself from it? Kinda. She probably doesn’t like dwelling on it since it’s still painful for her, and the commercial incentive isn’t there, no one is gonna decide not to buy a ticket to her show because she’s not singing Venus or Donatella.

However, it would’ve been really easy for her to sweep it under the rug, not sing a song from it ever again and never mention it publicly, and she hasn’t. If she still sprinkles songs from it in her shows and if she still mentions it and defends it once in a while it’s because she likes it and thinks fondly about it, she wouldn’t do that if she didn’t like it or regretted making it.

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3 hours ago, Candy Gaga said:

And what's personal about Fashion , Donatella or JND 

Come on! Gaga was brave in sharing her struggles of looking good, being skinny, rich, and a little bit of a bitch with us! 

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1 hour ago, Candy Gaga said:

TFM is already a short album and she performed most of it. Also The Fame she performed all its 10 yo singles and didn't touch any singles from ARTPOP other than Applause

What others were there to touch? The one she literally had to take off the album due to controversy? The one that didn’t crack top 80 on the hot 100?

if ARTPOP had other successful singles she would’ve sang them. She sang applause at JWT and Enigma.

Something that was also funny to me is that Engima has more ARTPOP songs than Joanne songs

 

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And not y’all mentioning Donatella and Fashion! as not personal songs 

Donatella is about being a misunderstood celebrity and the sadness and frustration that comes from people only seeing the superficial things about you. She basically relates to how Donatella must constantly feel, being seen as a shallow, skinny, blonde b***h, while Gaga herself is seen as crazy, try-hard and an attention-seeker.

Fashion! is about the power of fashion and how transforming yourself through clothing can give you strength to go through your day, while also noting that it can be addicting and you can get lost in it.

Both songs touch on topics that are personal to Gaga but in a fun way, the fact that they are superficially just party bangers doesn’t mean there isn’t depth in them or that you can’t learn about Gaga through them. There is certainly at least as much depth in them as in a lot of other songs in her discography.

I swear, do some of you read the lyrics or do y’all just skim through them? .