juicyjuicy 1,985 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Totally agree with OP (and FYI I'm not black). It's all deep-rooted systemic racism. The number of people who have dismissed this immediately... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 4,356 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Beyonce is one of the most decorated Grammy winners of all time, right? Sorry if someone already said that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiskoBaby 1,929 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, SevenWonder said: Beyonce is one of the most decorated Grammy winners of all time, right? Sorry if someone already said that. Completely missed the point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,862 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Every so often, this issue comes up. Let's go over the points brought up: 1. Urban Contemporary Album is a great idea for an award because it perfectly describes a form of music that's very popular right now. There used to be 2 forms of popular black origin music - rap and RnB. But in recent years, so many artists have made music that's somewhere in between these two, that draw on other genres and are extremely modern in a way that's difficult to truly define with the labels we already have. So, Urban Contemporary was born because a new genre has emerged. And anyone can make this music, not just blacks, so it's not a "black" award. And I don't know why anyone would label Igor a pop album. It's experimental hip hop. 2. Just because an album defined the experience of a race doesn't mean it should win. If it doesn't connect with voters, it doesn't connect. Just because the award doesn't have "best" in the title doesn't mean it isn't subjective opinion (I discovered that long ago). A big reason why Beyonce likely didn't win was because she's known for having writing camps whereas Adele writes and composes all her own work. The Grammys have always been supportive of actual creators as opposed to singers who sing stuff written for them. Beck wrote and produced his entire album by himself and he plays multiple instruments. The Grammys recognised and respected that. 3. Eminem also lost AOTY three times and he's a white rapper. Gaga's lost AOTY 3 times and she's a white pop singer. Beyonce just joins the club. It's called bad luck. And Bruno Mars isn't white and had the worst reviewed album out of the AOTY nominees yet still won. The Grammys are known to award success one year, alternative brilliance the next. Look back and you'll see a pattern for quite a while. Black artists are maybe being unlucky by missing the chance each time. 4. Yes, Fun and Mumford and Sons are gone now...but so is Frank. He's only cared about by a niche market now. I mean, the guy only put out 2 albums in the 8 years he's been famous, not to commercial success, certainly not worldwide. Hardly an example of someone who's still a superstar. 5. Why do you act like only black artists make innovative music? White artists are known for making really odd, experimental music but the Grammys have never cared about them. Yet, experimental music from black artists is far more likely to get picked up on. Bjork, who is white, is very innovative and has made music that no one else does and the critics love her music but she's never won a single Grammy in all these years. Now, here's some stats: Black artists who have 10 or more Grammys Quincy Jones (28), Beyonce (24), Jay-Z (22), Stevie Wonder (22), Kanye West (21), Aretha Franklin (18), Alicia Keys (15), Ella Fitzgerald (13), Leontyne Price (13), Pharrell Williams (13), Cece Winans (12), Shirley Caesar (11), Chaka Khan (10) Black artists who have won the biggest amount of Grammys in one night Michael Jackson won 8 in 1984 (which is a tie for the all-time record), Quincy Jones won 6 in 1991 and Beyonce won 6 in 2010. Most awarded albums by black artists Genius Loves Company by Ray Charles (8), Thriller by Michael Jackson (8), Back On The Block by Quincy Jones (8), The Blueprint 3 by Jay-Z (6), To Pimp A Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar (6), Unforgettable...With Love by Natalie Cole (6) Black artists with the most Grammy nominations Qunicy Jones (80), Jay-Z (77), Stevie Wonder (74), Beyonce (70), Kanye West (69), Babyface (49) Black artists who have been Grammy nominated in the most fields Qunicy Jones (15), Janet Jackson (9), Prince (8), Michael Jackson (8), Danger Mouse (8), Herbie Hancock (8), Lionel Richie (8), Stevie Wonder (8), Beyonce (8), Pharrell Williams (8) Overall Grammy records set by black artists Stevie Wonder has won 3 times for AOTY which is the joint record, Aretha Franklin has won the most consecutive Grammys in a single category, Lenny Kravitz won Best Male Rock Performance 4 years in a row, Quincy Jones is the most awarded producer, Ray Charles holds the record for most posthumous awards in one night and Michael Jackson holds the joint record for the most Grammy nominations and wins in a single night. Also, he's a run-down of successful white artists who have very few Grammys: Britney Spears (1), Ariana Grande (1), Justin Bieber (1), Calvin Harris (1) and many more. And here's a list of white artists who have never won a Grammy: Bjork, Martina McBride, Katy Perry, Lana Del Rey, Avril Lavigne, One Direction, Florence + The Machine, Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Sia, Gwen Stefani (as a soloist), Carly Rae Jepsen and many more. A lot of them are highly critically acclaimed too. So, can we put this argument to bed now? And if you really want to talk about Grammy under-representation, look at how few Asian, Hispanic and Native American acts get nominated, not to mention, artists who aren't from America. The Grammys are an American awards ceremony, their focus is almost completely focused on American artists. That's why so many countries have their own version of Grammys because they know they don't stand a chance competing on that stage. On 5/9/2020 at 4:30 PM, DiskoBaby said: And they're all in the "black categories" not the main prizes. It's easy to win a lot of awards for best R&B or best rap album. Beyonce won 5 awards in non-black categories - Halo for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance, Single Ladies for Song of the Year, Beyonce for Best Surround Sound Album, Formation for Best Music Video and Homecoming for Best Music Film. She's also been nominated in the soundtrack category and the rock category. 23 hours ago, DiskoBaby said: Yes it does. Best urban contemporary album is a joke category just to give black artists an award. It doesn't even make sense and the category wasn't even a thing until years ago. Also black artists have a history of being labeled r&b when they make pop music. Or how white singers would have an r&b sound and still be labeled as pop. I already went over this in the op. I went over why this accurately describes a modern form of urban music which is neither rap nor RnB, so it's a perfect way for acts who make music like this to win an award instead of competing in a genre that doesn't fully embody what they do. Artists as a whole tend to be categorised in the same genre their entire career, this goes for whites as well. And sometimes, black artists get nominated in pop where it clearly doesn't fit. Beyonce's The Gift got nominated for Best Pop Vocal Album. This is an album composed of all black artists singing urban music inspired by The Lion King and it was called a love letter to Africa. Explain how that got categorised as pop. 23 hours ago, T3ARS said: As a black person, I've come to that conclusion a long time ago. I support awards that higlight black people because its foolish to expect others to truly value black art. If anything, I've seen black art more highly praised than every before by the big committees. What shocks me is that a lot of it I find awful. There's wonderful music being made by black artists that just doesn't get recognised by the Grammys because it's not popular. Most recently, I've seen some of the worst music from hip hop categories win awards and terrible tracks from black artists getting nominated for SOTY and ROTY. Stuff that would never fly if a white person made it. I repeatedly see derivative, poorly made music from black artists get praised by critics and truly wonderful music from white artists get mixed reception. I really don't understand why the facts are right in front of people but they don't get acknowledged because they want to see their own agenda. The most under-represented groups at the Grammys are Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, non-Americans and women. But black artists thrive brilliantly at these awards. Of all the groups to complain for lack of awards, this isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckles 2,549 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 hours ago, xoxo Craig said: Beyoncé has 25 Grammys Beyoncé won most of her first Grammys due to his father's connection. After he is no longer her manager, she hasn't won any of the big four. You also forgot to mention that they nominated Rihanna 8 times on 2017 and she did not win a SINGLE award. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stotch 5,364 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 You can't be telling me Lemonade was better than 25... like, really? FIND YOUR FREEDOM IN THE MUSIC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Sky 10,913 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 No, they are not racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stotch 5,364 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Just because an album defined the experience of a race doesn't mean it should win. If it doesn't connect with voters, it doesn't connect. Just because the award doesn't have "best" in the title doesn't mean it isn't subjective opinion (I discovered that long ago). A big reason why Beyonce likely didn't win was because she's known for having writing camps whereas Adele writes and composes all her own work. The Grammys have always been supportive of actual creators as opposed to singers who sing stuff written for them. Beck wrote and produced his entire album by himself and he plays multiple instruments. The Grammys recognised and respected that. This FIND YOUR FREEDOM IN THE MUSIC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastertoyo 22,728 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 9 hours ago, IcePrincess said: The word black appears 24 times in the text. And what about asians or natives or anyone else. A pathetic racist text I’m tired of being excluded from this narrative please enlighten me to death Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinmyhair 524 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 we been knew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakariah 11,718 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 why are you so pressed about it if you think they don't matter lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahTannoIsHere 914 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 https://ibb.co/QFFzWKW Consent to LMAO react me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus Rose 5,638 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, SarahTannoIsHere said: https://ibb.co/QFFzWKW You did not- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzi 2,800 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 12 hours ago, DiskoBaby said: So why did Beck win over Beyonce? Have you actually listened to Beck's Morning Phase? It's an incredible record and it definitely deserved the recognition it got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylucifer 5,142 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 as far as I'm concerned the Grammys haven't done anything right since Taylor lost in 2014 to rrrrRandom Access Memories, Daft Punk The Tortured Poets Department is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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