Lady Gaga has always been a jazz artist

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18 minutes ago, Oriane said:

Yes. I started being a fan around 2010, and even then, I could see that she was much more than pop, and there was a lot of jazz, rock, etc in her. I still can't understand how some fans were surprised when she made C2C 

Same.  I also became a fan in 2010 and recognized her jazz phrasing ability even in pop songs.

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12 minutes ago, NFRockwell said:

Hm. I don’t know about this one. I think at her core she’s a pop-rock piano ballad singer/songwriter. The songs she’s written alone (Speechless, Yoü and I, JAD) are examples. I think she’s a great jazz singer, and she obviously respects the genre very much, but it’s clear she kinda respects it so much that she’s hasn’t really been able to step into that world entirely in her career. I mean even in CTC she admitted she didn’t want to offend the genre with her original jazz work until she had it down 100%. Meanwhile she has no problems making and releasing the songs I mention. Basically she’s never grabbed Jazz by the neck and said “you’re my bitch now”  and I know most jazz artists just sing standards but Gaga is a songwriter and we know she needs that artist door open to really shine through. But when she’s ready I’m going to support the shi out of that original jazz album.

Well what I'm talking about is more the performance side of things. Gaga can change up her voice and she knows exactly how to change the placement and her tone in order to accommodate the style she is singing in. For example, the Smile performance she did was more jazz interms of her vocals, compared to The Prayer performance which used a much more richer and darker tone but still kind of forward placed like how she sung in I'll Never Love Again. Her songwriting is probably at best when she is writing ballads which can be put into any genre. So I do agree on that respect.

But interms of a live performance setting, jazz just exudes from her body. Because musical theatre is closely linked to jazz, I feel like thats why she is able to turn the jazz tap whenever she wants. On an overall performance setting on a piano, jazz comes through. Thats kind of what I was talking about in the OP. And she's always been like that, even before she was famous. She always used to have her spin on things, and go jazz on us even if it wasn't a jazz song or the vocal style isn't jazz

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Just now, xoxo Craig said:

Well what I'm talking about is more the performance side of things. Gaga can change up her voice and she knows exactly how to change the placement and her tone in order to accommodate the style she is singing in. For example, the Smile performance she did was more jazz interms of her vocals, compared to The Prayer performance which used a much more richer and darker tone but still kind of forward placed like how she sung in I'll Never Love Again. Her songwriting is derived at best when she is writing ballads which can be put into any genre. So I do agree on that respect.

But interms of a live performance setting, jazz just exudes from her body. Because musical theatre is closely linked to jazz, I feel like thats why she is able to tun the jazz tap whenever she wants. On an overall performance setting on a piano, jazz comes through. Thats kind of what I was talking about in the OP. And she's always been like that, even before she was famous. She always used to have her spin on things, and go jazz on us even if it wasn't a jazz song or the vocal style isn't jazz

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24 minutes ago, DiskoBaby said:

I want an original jazz album from her. Not a bunch of covers with Tony Bennet but a jazz album with original material. That would shake the pop world and jazz world up. If covers, a compilation of her singing her own songs in jazz versions would be nice too 

She also has a voice for theater too. Just imagine Gaga in Broadway on stage every night and winning Tony awards. I think that's what she originally wanted to be. A Broadway star acting and singing on a live stage. That's where Gaga really belongs.

Idk if it would shake the Jazz world tbh lol it’s not really like pop in its “world”, it’s pretty loose and booking based. Of all the genres that have dec popularity, I’d say jazz is the one that operates the least straightforward or connected to the rest of the music industry. Even Tony’s stuff kind of just exists in its own space unlike someone like, say, Sons of Kemet who are more indicative of where jazz is now. Tony albums to jazz are like Celine albums to pop music, they’re great and sell but aren’t really super in-touch with the trends or anything like that. Jazz is a VERY active genre still that Gaga really isn’t that big a part of *which is totally fine*, but it also means she wouldn’t necessarily be shifting it too much with an album of hers.

and all that is not to dismiss that I love her jazz stuff.

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I see her more in a Cabaret setting

She has a very frivolous side (that I like)

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4 minutes ago, Blastertoyo said:

 

Perfecto

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A lot of these performances don't have jazz roots, though. Really only her performances with the band in Vegas do. Jazz isn't about showing off - it's about showing emotion and pain through a specific type of musical genre. Any musician of any genre can argue that an acoustic set is about showing off. At her core, she's a regular singer/songwriter who likes jazz and rock music that just so happens to be good at jazz. 

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She's been saying it even before the whole "I've been singing jazz since I was 13", so yea, you're completely right.

I guess even in that Inside The Outside MTV interview she gave in 2011-2012 (Born This Way era!) she says that she used to sing jazz songs.

 

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Gaga has stated that she was into jazz before pop.  Some may not realize that her jazz goes far beyond the ballads etc we associate with C2C.  She is also an accomplished swing jazz artist.  The most amazing example is September 2, 2017.  After performing a full pop concert at Boston's Fenway Park, she went over to the House Of Blues and performed not just one or two jazz songs, but an entire set.  Yes, on the very same night as her pop concert.   Her swing jazz is top notch:   Enjoy

 

Fixed.  It was Fenway Park, not Wrigley Field.

I found a 22-minute version on Youtube:

 

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21 minutes ago, joannesrats said:

A lot of these performances don't have jazz roots, though. Really only her performances with the band in Vegas do. Jazz isn't about showing off - it's about showing emotion and pain through a specific type of musical genre. Any musician of any genre can argue that an acoustic set is about showing off. At her core, she's a regular singer/songwriter who likes jazz and rock music that just so happens to be good at jazz. 

I don't really agree with this. Jazz live performances is all about how the artist feels in that particular moment. Showing emotion is pretty vague. Literally anyone can do that in a performance. But Jazz is going off from the beaten track, putting a spin on it and then coming back to it. Jazz pianists will have their own solos where they just go a little crazy with it before returning to the orginal piece. Its kind of considered uppity because jazz artists do show off. You have to be talented, and crazy talented at that, to be able to pull of jazz. 

What I'm talking about here is Gaga's ability to change it up and go off course for a bit, show off her piano or vocal skills, and come back to the orginal piece at hand. Its not necessarily a FULL 100% jazz performance, but there are elements of that in the majority of Gaga's piano performances.

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5 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

I don't really agree with this. Jazz live performances is all about how the artist feels in that particular moment. Showing emotion is pretty vague. Literally anyone can do that in a performance. But Jazz is going off from the beaten track, putting a spin on it and then coming back to it. Jazz pianists will have their own solos where they just go a little crazy with it before returning to the orginal piece. Its kind of considered uppity because jazz artists do show off. You have to be talented, and crazy talented at that, to be able to pull of jazz. 

What I'm talking about here is Gaga's ability to change it up and go off course for a bit, show off her piano or vocal skills, and come back to the orginal piece at hand. Its not necessarily a FULL 100% jazz performance, but there are elements of that in the majority of Gaga's piano performances.

Yes, and these are skills that any gig musician has. She has always been more singer/songwriter oriented. 

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2 minutes ago, joannesrats said:

Yes, and these are skills that any gig musician has. She has always been more singer/songwriter oriented. 

There's nobody in the current pop scene that can do that though, not even Beyoncé. Not every gig musician has those abilities 

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1 hour ago, DiskoBaby said:

She also has a voice for theater too. Just imagine Gaga in Broadway on stage every night and winning Tony awards. I think that's what she originally wanted to be. A Broadway star acting and singing on a live stage. That's where Gaga really belongs.

 

1 hour ago, xoxo Craig said:

But interms of a live performance setting, jazz just exudes from her body. Because musical theatre is closely linked to jazz, I feel like thats why she is able to turn the jazz tap whenever she wants. On an overall performance setting on a piano, jazz comes through. Thats kind of what I was talking about in the OP. And she's always been like that, even before she was famous. She always used to have her spin on things, and go jazz on us even if it wasn't a jazz song or the vocal style isn't jazz

I agree 100% with these thoughts.  Gaga was born for Broadway, and musical theatre is often linked to jazz. 

Jazz is in Gaga's blood, she's a natural at it.   Jazz phrasing is crucial, and Tony has said it's not something you can learn.  You have that ability within you or you don't, and Gaga certainly does.