France support for strict lockdown drops to 43%

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1 minute ago, GregJA said:

This won’t go on much longer - eventually people are just going to accept covid and that’s that. Then a vaccine will come but people can’t keep living like this and they won’t. 

Yes, let's not be delusional. A vaccine will come if we're lucky in 2021, until then, do you think it's possible to stay at home until May 2021 or February 2021? The answer is no.

This is a temporary fix, like a bandaid, it helps health workers at the moment and hopefully deaths and people in reanimation decreases, which it is currently in Italy and Spain.

But in the long term people will have to go out and reopen their businesses, yes it's dangerous but it's impossible to freeze the economy like this for a whole year or until a vaccine shows up which could be 2 years. Life will not exactly be the same outside 

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14 minutes ago, adterp said:

with teachers concerned that they are being used as part of attempts to widen public immunity

This is highly plausible in my opinion. We need at least 60% of the population to get the virus in order to be able to freely go outside safely. It might be Macron's strategy on the low 

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8 minutes ago, Fantina said:

 

 

I honestly thought when he got elected that he was ok, but hearing stories from my friends really got me shook. Hopefully he doesn't get elected next term. Also, praying it isn't Marine next term too. 

I'm with Mélenchon (a French Bernie Sanders?) and I hope I'll be elected in 2022. Macron played with our brains because he says that he isn't from the right nor the left. Guess what, a lot of liberal people joined him. 

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The public should have no say in this.

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3 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

This is highly plausible in my opinion. We need at least 60% of the population to get the virus in order to be able to freely go outside safely. It might be Macron's strategy on the low 

It's most probably be the goal, but he'll never admit the morbid truth. Many people will still have to die to get to the "60%". Also it has been proved that the virus can cause some nasty aftereffects on the cerebral and respiratory system. Until a vaccine -or at least mass testing- and if each personal situation allow it, stay at home. 

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28 minutes ago, L E O said:

Yes, May 11th. I f*cking hate our president, all he cares about is money, poor people can die he couldn't give a sh*t.

You do realize that keeping everything locked down actually creates more poverty ? The only ones who can sustain an extended lockdown are the wealthiest. Lockdowns were never meant to prevent disease - it was to mitigate it 

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6 minutes ago, adterp said:

It's most probably be the goal, but he'll never admit the morbid truth. Many people will still have to die to get to the "60%". Also it has been proved that the virus can cause some nasty aftereffects on the cerebral and respiratory system. Until a vaccine -or at least mass testing- and if each personal situation allow it, stay at home. 

The influenza virus also leaves those side effects. Although COVID is highly contagious and can cause some weird immune responses much of the behavior shared similarities to the influenza virus with attributes of MERS. But yess influenza is a scary virus as well and I wish people took that one seriously too. Influenza has overburdened hospitals many times. In the USA in 2017-2018 we needed emergency hospitals built too because in the USA season was THAT bad. But no economy can survive long enough to keep people locked down until a vaccine is ready. That’s impossible. The amount of economic catastrophe would result in more people dying from the effects of said economy turning into a third world state and good bye to any chances of developed vaccines or treatments or treating anyone who’s infected. These lockdowns weren’t ever meant to prevent the viruses spread 

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6 minutes ago, Gypsy Life said:

The public should have no say in this.

Well our government has shown no scruple in the public interest so far. We have to be vigilant with money-hungry policies only. Health professionals, those who should be listened to, are not advising such a premature end of lockdown.

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14 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

This is highly plausible in my opinion. We need at least 60% of the population to get the virus in order to be able to freely go outside safely. It might be Macron's strategy on the low 

This is only if herd immunity is achievable. We still don't know how long immunity against this virus could last. The immunological memory against most coronaviruses that cause the common cold, for instance, is gone within a couple of months.

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43 minutes ago, Fantina said:

Wait, they want to reopen schools? That is way to soon 

Schools seem to be the safest starting measures for reopenings, as children seem to be the least affected group. 

Most countries seem to think that, but there are some who wont open them. 

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26 minutes ago, MissKombucha said:

The influenza virus also leaves those side effects. Although COVID is highly contagious and can cause some weird immune responses much of the behavior shared similarities to the influenza virus with attributes of MERS. But yess influenza is a scary virus as well and I wish people took that one seriously too. Influenza has overburdened hospitals many times. In the USA in 2017-2018 we needed emergency hospitals built too because in the USA season was THAT bad. But no economy can survive long enough to keep people locked down until a vaccine is ready. That’s impossible. The amount of economic catastrophe would result in more people dying from the effects of said economy turning into a third world state and good bye to any chances of developed vaccines or treatments or treating anyone who’s infected. These lockdowns weren’t ever meant to prevent the viruses spread 

The difference with influenza is that we know how to prevent and treat that virus. With Corona, we still don't know anything for sure. We don't even know if we really are immune once we got it.

In any case, there will be deaths because of the economy. Capitalism was unfair and responsible of so many miserable lives and deaths before the pandemic and will be after if nothing changes. Our economic system is also responsible for damaging the the public health structures for decades. I'm not saying to stop everything, but if you can, stay at home and try to think about ways of breaking the actual system instead of whining about a concert or a burger, because we all are in this situation because of it.

Edit: I don't mean you personally, but anybody eager to go back to an individualistic "normal" life. 

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48 minutes ago, GregJA said:

This won’t go on much longer - eventually people are just going to accept covid and that’s that. Then a vaccine will come but people can’t keep living like this and they won’t. 

I think it depends. People are prone to positive news. When people hear that the amount of new deaths and new infections has been declining for the past week, they think it's time to reopen the economy. But what they don't realize is that the current infected numbers are still skyhigh, and going back to life as it was in February would mean a new peak and even more deaths. At the same time, people are prone to negative news. Coronavirus deaths lag the measures taken by a few weeks, so I think that going back to a new normal where too many people still get infected, and if death tallies start rising again, the support for a lockdown will increase again.

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1 hour ago, L E O said:

Yes, May 11th. I f*cking hate our president, all he cares about is money, poor people can die he couldn't give a sh*t.

L E O iconic doll. Economy is important too you know. Let's keep thinga flowing and staying safe.

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34 minutes ago, Florin said:

Schools seem to be the safest starting measures for reopenings, as children seem to be the least affected group. 

Most countries seem to think that, but there are some who wont open them. 

Yeah, but that means teachers will go back to work and other school staff like janitors etc.. They would still be putting some people at risk. In our country, we have resorted to online learning, kids/teens are mostly keeping up with their curriculum.

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1 hour ago, blankpaper said:

Is anybody a democracy during this 

The question is, is democracy a viable method during a crisis ? And the answer is no