Was grace jones right about gaga

[Spock 20,290]

14 minutes ago, HausOfG said:

Grace Jones is a cult figure who most people see as this weird looking woman who terrifies interviewers. She had to remain "weird" and off kilter because she simply did not have the talent or looks to be successful in the mainstream. Gaga did. That doesn't mean Gaga is any less authentic. In fact, she is being completely true to herself and utilising her immense talent. People like Grace make me roll my eyes so much. Thinking they are the true artistes of the world while all they really are is butthurt that they don't have that type of wealth and acclaim. 

And the people who think they are cool and better than others by being her fan are even worse. They are so lodged up their own backside it's hilarious. 

I'm so glad Gaga didn't go this route. 

I’m sorry but this post is so incredibly ignorant

it’s one thing to not agree with what she’s saying, but it’s another to dismiss and put her down just because she came for mOtHeR mOnStEr. Ignorant Little Monsters coming for Stephen Sondheim teas. Grace Jones is a living legend, and true one at that, have some respect 

Imagine coming for Grace’s iconic looks and appearance of all things, when not only she was an incredibly successful model but also took part in creating the most iconic images and looks to come out of the 80s, that still influence artists to this day, just because she said something negative. If you’re going to come, you need to come correct sis. and I won’t even bother defending Grace’s acclaim lmao 

Nice little save in that paragraph where you come for her fans painting the as delusional, but we all knew you wrote that because you knew what you were writing was incredibly ignorant and deluded 

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55 minutes ago, Quartz said:

Are you really going to ask if a person who wrote all these life-changing songs, brought culturally relevant artistry to pop, and orchestrated this whole massive event has no personality?

Wow, if she doesn't have one, I don't know if anyone does. You're asking if LADY GAGA has a personality. Let that sink in for a minute.

If you read my entire post you would know that i know gagas has personality . but obviously  from some responses here, some people have a different opinion so i wanted to discusses it

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I think what saddens me about this whole authenticity conversation is that she used to own her "fakery", self-professing that she lived "halfway between reality and fantasy". She allowed for her creativity to indeed become her authenticity, and she rejected truth, stating she'd "prefer a giant dose of bullshit over the truth any day" - and this for me is what ironically made her authentic. It was inspiring. It was Warhol. It told me I could become anything I wanted to be, that I could "invent myself" and kinda re-write my past in order to manifest my desired-self into reality.

Now, it's almost like she's forgotten that that's what she was always about - and honestly, she seems much more inauthentic now. I remember around the Joanne era, it really bugged me that she spoke a lot about being "real" in saying that she was finally baring her soul by stripping it all back, when in actuality - baring her soul was her being honest about her desire to become the superstar she finally became. It's like, once she became it (or I guess a little while after), she then adopted the views of a generic popstar in regards to what's "real" and what's not and disregarded the entire manifesto she once sold us that got her to where she always wanted to be - that told us we could do the same.

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58 minutes ago, EuphoricVibez said:

Yes, Gaga has a personality. However, she's maturing, and growing over time, so you can't really expect her to have the same mind set that she had in her early 20's.

Exactly 

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2 minutes ago, pissartist said:

I think what saddens me about this whole authenticity conversation is that she used to own her "fakery", self-professing that she lived "halfway between reality and fantasy". She allowed for her creativity to indeed become her authenticity, and she rejected truth, stating she'd "prefer a giant dose of bullshit over the truth any day" - and this for me is what ironically made her authentic. It was inspiring. It was Warhol. It told me I could become anything I wanted to be, that I could "invent myself" and kinda re-write my past in order to manifest my desired-self into reality.

Now, it's almost like she's forgotten that that's what she was always about - and honestly, she seems much more inauthentic now. I remember around the Joanne era, it really bugged me that she spoke a lot about being "real" in saying that she was finally baring her soul by stripping it all back, when in actuality - baring her soul was her being honest about her desire to become the superstar she finally became. It's like, once she became it (or I guess a little while after), she then adopted the views of a generic popstar in regards to what's "real" and what's not and disregarded the entire manifesto she once sold us that got her to where she always wanted to be - that told us we could do the same.

I understand exactly what you mean by showing her authenticity through her artistic expressions. However, she's 34. You can't expect her to have the same exact mindset like she did when she was 22-23. Artists can change overtime, and that's the same with Gaga. From what I'm seeing, she wants to embrace both the Gaga side, and Stefani side of her, and realize they're one, and the same.

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No personality =! being a chameleon artistically.

In conclusion a weak and unnecessary drag.

[Antichrist 9,818]

kind of. but so is every hollywood personality. they become what sells the most.

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36 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Grace Jones is literally one of Gaga's inspirations. Why do half her idols do this to her?

Because that generation had to fight for press and their way of doing it is slightly shady, slightly shocking comments.

Madonna, Boy George, Grace Jones, David Bowie, Cher, The Beatles.

Watch their older interviews. They always have one part where it’s the perfect media sound bite that can do a PR spin off of.
Which means newspaper headlines, interviews with politicians being asked about Celebs, protests. And finally, a PR apology written just right.

Whether it’s “The Truth” or not, doesn’t matter. It’s attention and that makes money.
The internet changed so much of how pop culture works but this method still works to this day. The sound bite grabs attention.

Recent example: Kayne West - Slavery was a choice. (It dominated the media.)

[Daylight Jokers 14,958]

She wouldn't be the superstar that she is now if she doesn't have a personality. So no, Grace is wrong.

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1 hour ago, SlowLoris said:

Ngl, sometimes Gaga has seemed inauthentic. 

When I saw her Joanne tour in Atlanta, she spoke with a forced southern accent and justified it by saying "my Mama's from West Virginia".

At the same time, I think an artist has every right to be an empty vessel if they choose.  Gaga still has depth and a personality, for sure.  And like others say, in her early 20s she was going through some sh*t.  

I honestly think she's fascinating for having the ability to put on different "hats".  Sometimes, she's fake, but I love her work, her message and her intelligence.  And the magic of art is that it doesn't require 100% authenticity.  

(She's also got some strong Scorpio and Gemini placements in her birth chart, so it makes sense lol)

Holy **** scorpio ? This makes so much sense. Also the face your talking about placements on GGD  ... omg be my friend 

[HausOfG 1,560]

27 minutes ago, Spock said:

I’m sorry but this post is so incredibly ignorant

it’s one thing to not agree with what she’s saying, but it’s another to dismiss and put her down just because she came for mOtHeR mOnStEr. Ignorant Little Monsters coming for Stephen Sondheim teas. Grace Jones is a living legend, and true one at that, have some respect 

Imagine coming for Grace’s iconic looks and appearance of all things, when not only she was an incredibly successful model but also took part in creating the most iconic images and looks to come out of the 80s, that still influence artists to this day, just because she said something negative. If you’re going to come, you need to come correct sis. and I won’t even bother defending Grace’s acclaim lmao 

Nice little save in that paragraph where you come for her fans painting the as delusional, but we all knew you wrote that because you knew what you were writing was incredibly ignorant and deluded 

You've just proven my point. All she had was her "look".  She would never have made it in the mainstream because she was a dark skinned amazonian woman with quite a masculine face. She's very striking looking and I see why she gained notoriety but besides her look what did she have? Gaga backed up the outrageous outfits, stunts and soundbites with a talent that nobody can deny. And get a grip, I don't dislike Grace in general. In fact I was impressed when she walked the catwalk a couple of years back. She owned it and looked great for her age. I won't argue that she is an icon for black women and women who don't fit the standard definition of beauty. But what's behind the look? What else has she offered that sets her up as this overseer of talent and personality? 

 

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16 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

kind of. but so is every hollywood personality. they become what sells the most.

If that's the case she wouldn't have done C2C or Joanne. She could have gone the easy route of putting out dance bops. She wouldn't have taken the risks she has that often seem crazy on paper (and illustrated by the meltdowns her fans have any time she dares do anything outside of the box they seem determined to keep her in) 

I really don't know how anyone could say Gaga is all about the money. The amount if endorsements she is offered she could be making millions just from ads alone. Instead she stays loyal to a v select few like Tiffany. 

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People see what they want to see

Maybe Grace expected to see an empty vessel and so she saw that.

Something to do with preconceived notions, presumptions and overall high judgemental flair. Maybe because of that she didn't give Gaga a fair chance blinded by these perceptions. 

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32 minutes ago, HausOfG said:

You've just proven my point. All she had was her "look".  She would never have made it in the mainstream because she was a dark skinned amazonian woman with quite a masculine face. She's very striking looking and I see why she gained notoriety but besides her look what did she have? Gaga backed up the outrageous outfits, stunts and soundbites with a talent that nobody can deny. And get a grip, I don't dislike Grace in general. In fact I was impressed when she walked the catwalk a couple of years back. She owned it and looked great for her age. I won't argue that she is an icon for black women and women who don't fit the standard definition of beauty. But what's behind the look? What else has she offered that sets her up as this overseer of talent and personality? 

 

No she didn't. She has a critically acclaimed and influential discography and videography. Her Compass Point Session albums and their singles are considered to be one of the best musical outputs of the 80s, and carved their own lane in music by mixing different genres. Everybody from Bjork to Rihanna to Lorde to Billie Eilish have been musically influenced by her

The fact that Gaga did it in doesn't mean that Grace hasn't done it either   she was being controversial before it was cool, including topics such as sexual predators and strong social commentary in her music. She is the definition of being ahead of her time. She obviously never wanted to be mainstream, if she had she wouldn't have acted that way and would have continued doing disco music. The fact that she has a couple of popular and instantly recognizable songs with having had barley any chart success is a testament to her as an icon.

I couldn't disagree more with what she is saying, but even I know when to take my stan goggles off

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I feel like Gaga just lives in the moment or era by era and she is trying to please a lot of people all the time, fans, interviewers, her couples, friends even just people around her. Chromatica is just another way of trying to please a large group of her fanbase after Joanne and ASIB. Now, in retrospective, her past work seems unauthentic. Like she was doing it for the shock factor. I understand she is not 20 anymore but theres way to continue your art while maturing at the same time. Like Bjork or others did, for example. 

I cringe everytime she is around Mark Ronson or other collaborators because you can tell how much she tries to please them and be likeable and i hate how sometimes they even talk over her ughhh so rude someone could day that she has no personality, i say she is very sweet and a little insecure.