Sam Smith claims they “definitely” had coronavirus

[ADVENTURE 856]

6 hours ago, MingersPrayer said:

I know this was worded strangely but I don’t fully understand the issue. I have 2 friends who had all the symptoms but couldn’t get a test unless in hospital. They both “know” they had it. Last week one was finally tested and confirmed he did. Surely the issue (in the UK) we should be having trouble with is the fact testing is being so poorly done & we have to self diagnose? 
 

I might have totally missing something though. 

I don’t think you are missing anything. Just people looking to be outraged 

[MyQueen 2,409]

They

[HeavyPunkLover 2,120]

I would like to speak about all the questions that turns around “they”

As everything you do, it’s the reason of doing it.

you can walk on your dog’s tail by accident and hurting him.

or you can do it on purpose because you want to hurt him. 

BUT

I know Sam wants to be “THEY”

I know it, maybe you know, others might not know. When I read an article about Sam and I have to talk about Sam I use Sam. Why? Because “they” can be confusing since it mean many people to a large majority of the population and I want to make sure people know I am talking about Sam and not multiple persons. 
 

So: Do I try to respect Sam? Yes. And everyone should try their best to do so.

Will I change my everyday way of speaking because a small part of the population is sensible by those who use the common language? Maybe not. But i will try do to my best when I know I’m facing those people in the community. So, in here I’ll say Sam, and not he or him, to show some respect knowing there are a lot of other users affected by the same situation. But in a normal conversation with my binary friends, I must be honest, it will probably comes out as HE. 

A non-binary person told me once: “he has become so hard talking about him,... ehm I mean they”

So don’t fall for those who directly call you transphobe because you accidentally misgendered a trans. 
You are not a transphobe, you are a human being. 

 

PS: i had to read through my post 10 times to make sure I did not misgender Sam and still not sure I was successful. That’s why I’m calling they by their name as I do with all my non-binary friends. (I really don’t want to piss them off, they are wonderful human beings) 

PS: i love to think about myself as a quantic being. 

[ADVENTURE 856]

6 hours ago, KyaneWest said:

That reminds me of when they said "I definitely realized I was woman once I started having woman thoughts" lol bye he's very delusional, sorry THEY are very delusional

I don’t think they are a very articulate speaker. I’m sure they had a point but it gets kind of lost in translation.

[SarahTannoIsHere 914]

6 hours ago, Jose P said:

For some reason I find Sam Smith so incredibly annoying and I don’t know why. There’s just something about them that irks me 

I don’t get the them/they ? Why not just say their name, it just partially confuses me because them and they usually refers to multiple people. 
 

if we just call everyone by their name then there’s never a problem 

[Dilwyn 4,090]

1 hour ago, blankpaper said:

“They” is used for singular people all the time—“someone forgot their coat”

imagine being proud of refusing to respect someone’s gender identity on a lady gaga fan site of all places 

i'm not refusing anything he can identify himself  as pikachu for all i care.

i just said it sound funny

[SarahTannoIsHere 914]

6 hours ago, KyaneWest said:

That reminds me of when they said "I definitely realized I was woman once I started having woman thoughts" lol bye he's very delusional, sorry THEY are very delusional

Inb4 your banned 

[SarahTannoIsHere 914]

1 minute ago, Dilwyn said:

i'm not refusing anything he can identify himself  as pikachu for all i care.

i just said it sound funny

Or just say Sam smith forgot his coat, simple rephrasing ....

[HighwayGuy 1,498]

7 minutes ago, HeavyPunkLover said:

I would like to speak about all the questions that turns around “they”

As everything you do, it’s the reason of doing it.

you can walk on your dog’s tail by accident and hurting him.

or you can do it on purpose because you want to hurt him. 

BUT

I know Sam wants to be “THEY”

I know it, maybe you know, others might not know. When I read an article about Sam and I have to talk about Sam I use Sam. Why? Because “they” can be confusing since it mean many people to a large majority of the population and I want to make sure people know I am talking about Sam and not multiple persons. 
 

So: Do I try to respect Sam? Yes. And everyone should try their best to do so.

Will I change my everyday way of speaking because a small part of the population is sensible by those who use the common language? Maybe not. But i will try do to my best when I know I’m facing those people in the community. So, in here I’ll say Sam, to show some respect knowing there are a lot of other users affected by the same situation. But in a normal conversation with my binary friends, I must be honest, it will probably comes out as HE. 

A non-binary person told me once: “he has become so hard talking about him,... ehm I mean they”

So don’t fall for those who directly call you transphobe because you accidentally misgendered a trans. 
You are not a transphobe, you are a human being. 

 

PS: i had to read through my post 10 times to make sure I did not misgender Sam and still not sure I was successful. That’s why I’m calling they by their name as I do with all my non-binary friends. (I really don’t want to piss them off, they are wonderful human beings) 

PS: i love to think about myself as a quantic being. 

It's not transphobic to misgender someone by accident, only when someone makes no effort to respect someone's pronouns and misgenders them on purpose. 

I would recommend you respect someone's 'they/them' pronouns even when you are speaking to your binary friends, as that way you can get used to using the correct pronouns and encourages your friends to respect people's pronouns too.  

 

[Tycho 3,694]

10 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

I don’t get the them/they ? Why not just say their name, it just partially confuses me because them and they usually refers to multiple people. 

Singular they is used quite often actually! Hopefully this helps..

Your co-worker has a kid who has a birthday coming up - "When's their birthday?".
The person sitting next to your in the park left something behind - "Oh, they left their sunglasses."

When using it as a pronoun it works the same.
"Alex went to grab their keys before we leave"
"I saw them listening to Gaga on spotify, I wonder if they're a big fan"

[HeavyPunkLover 2,120]

6 minutes ago, HighwayGuy said:

It's not transphobic to misgender someone by accident, only when someone makes no effort to respect someone's pronouns and misgenders them on purpose. 

I would recommend you respect someone's 'they/them' pronouns even when you are speaking to your binary friends, as that way you can get used to using the correct pronouns and encourages your friends to respect people's pronouns too.  

 

As I said, I’ll always try to do my best, but even though I know about it, during an active speech it comes out not so naturally and in Italian it’s even worst. I can manage this vocabulary better in English than in my mother tongue

 

edit: times are changing,let’s be kind and let people have time to change and adjust. If they don’t want to do it. Leave them alone and try to spread awareness where the mind is more open and flexible.

I can’t at those who are rejecting it because: “it’s not the way we learn to talk” so it means that you can’t learn anything new? Better leave this people in their ignorance. 

[Beanybb 1,235]

5 hours ago, Squeeshy Keety said:

Thank you, I know. I am non binary and trans, and while one isn't always the other, "trans" is a large umbrella that I believe can be applied to both binary and non binary people who identify with a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. To me, "trans" isn't just for MTF/FTM binary identities. My usage was inclusive rather than exclusive, even though a distinction is sometimes necessary to be made, if that makes sense 

As a trans woman, I'm denouncing this "umbrella". Non binary people (not all) are injecting themselves into identities of trans woman and it's not right. Transgender people are focused on changing their gender. This is not the case for someone who is gender non-conforming which focuses on changing gender roles and expression. It also isn't about what you think is inclusive and exclusive - you'd never let a white person represent a person of colour. This is where (as an actual trans woman speaking about trans issues) a distinction needs to be made.

[Beanybb 1,235]

4 hours ago, Squeeshy Keety said:

That's your story and your expression of your transness and gender, and you're entitled to that  But it's not universal, and I think when we start trying to quantify which experiences are true to being "trans," it just becomes another weapon against future trans people to come out. It's just a much simpler (and frankly more correct) thing to me if trans can be used inclusively or exclusively depending on context. There is simply not another term for a nb person0---who is not cis--other than trans, and that label describes a good lot about their experience

I myself am not a trans woman, and I have no right to tell someone who is whether they are doing it right or not. Neither do I think a trans woman has the right to police my identity and those of people whose experiences more closely match mine. And the "new" labels still represent something that has been present for millenia even if someone describes how they experience gender in a different way

and no it's not my expression, it's a literal medical and scientific definition of what a transsexual woman is. I don't just go around making things up. If anything, gender non conforming people are making it harder for trans women and men to fit into the binary. 

[HighwayGuy 1,498]

9 minutes ago, beabeaxo5 said:

As a trans woman, I'm denouncing this "umbrella". Non binary people (not all) are injecting themselves into identities of trans woman and it's not right. Transgender people are focused on changing their gender. This is not the case for someone who is gender non-conforming which focuses on changing gender roles and expression. It also isn't about what you think its inclusive and exclusive - you'd never let a white person represent a person of colour. This is where (as an actual trans woman speaking about trans issues) a distinction needs to be made.

What is your criteria for whether someone non-binary can be counted as trans* or not? I'm just curious. 

[Beanybb 1,235]

3 hours ago, Queen Bitch said:

Non-binary is a transgender gender identity. Not every non-binary person identifies as trans, but it does fall under the transgender umbrella.

This "transgender umbrella' is the same umbrella that believes male crossdressers and drag queens belong under the transgender identity, so no