Doja + Dr. Luke + Slur

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Just now, Warning said:

I do understand your point, but what I'm saying that in these modern times it is very easy to shout I was raped without any true claim and you can accuse anybody of such nasty thing, that is why it is very important to be rational and look into both perspectives to connect the dots.

Ok if you're comfortable defending an alleged rapist that's fine. I see I'm wasting my time. Also don't act like growing up people weren't saying "*******" as a replacement insult for "stupid" and no one flinched but suddenly when it's convenient we bring it back up to be overly sensitive about it and try to cancel someone. Doja cat is so far from homophobic it's ridiculous lol.

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2 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

Wow... how uneducated must you be to think that using THAT word is okay? 

 

1 minute ago, RahrahWitch said:

Jesus...   This.. was the apology?

The Sad thing is you never know if someone is genuinely sorry or just saying to save their careers.

Sometime it feels that celebrities use gay people to sell and just to look good if they find out that their general interest group is LGBTish so they try to pretend and look nice imo.

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4 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

Wow... how uneducated must you be to think that using THAT word is okay? 

I mean, she doesn’t really come off as too bright  “15,000 times” huh? Mess I didn’t know that before

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2 minutes ago, Kindness Hooker said:

Ok if you're comfortable defending an alleged rapist that's fine. I see I'm wasting my time. Also don't act like growing up people weren't saying "*******" as a replacement insult for "stupid" and no one flinched but suddenly when it's convenient we bring it back up to be overly sensitive about it and try to cancel someone. Doja cat is so far from homophobic it's ridiculous lol.

I'm not defending alleged rapist, don't put your words in my mouth or twist what I say. I won't be a sheep just to cater someones needs I stand true and without real evidence I won't run around screaming x or z is a rapist, I don't say it couldn't have happened either.

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2 minutes ago, Warning said:

I'm not defending alleged rapist, don't put your words in my mouth or twist what I say. I won't be a sheep just to cater someones needs I stand true and without real evidence I won't run around screaming x or z is a rapist, I don't say it couldn't have happened either.

But you're literally battling for Luke's life and honor against half the thread....

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

6 minutes ago, Warning said:

 

Sometime it feels that celebrities use gay people to sell and just to look good if they find out that their general interest group is LGBTish so they try to pretend and look nice imo.

I agree with that, I'm sorry I love her to bits but Jessie J literally done it. The LGBT community is being used to exploit marketing things, and because they see a female giving disco dance songs that appeal to the masses they think they can get away with anything.  

You can't admittedly say you use a derogatory term and then say "but its okay cause I like gay people". Like no, those two things contradict eachother and I'm quite disgusted that she would think thats okay to say. Imagine this was a white guy using the n word but saying its okay cause he like black people. I know race struggles aren't comparable but there would be an outcry. Its ridiculous and I don't know why people give her the attention they do.

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5 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

I've been staying clear of Doja Cat and Kim Petras for that reason. @DutchHooker loves Kim and has got me to listen so some of her music, but I can't bring myself to listen to either of them because of their ties with Dr Luke. Its such ashame for these artists, but the music industry needs to wake up and not hold him to such a high level and sign artists like that. 

even though Kesha's case ruled that he was not guilty (and I do believe that she may have manipulated the truth), where there's smoke, there is fire.

Well lets start with saying that I love you so much 

I love the fact that you are so honest and it's actually a weird situation. However, I listen to music to be entertained, to get joy and just to have fun and let it play with my emotions. I do not really care what the background of artists is and how the music was produced and by whom, as long as I enjoy it. I also listen to Azealia Banks (well..) and Slayyyter (who made racist comments) because their music is dope. I have the ability to seperate the music of the person behind it, but then I just stan the music and not the person (like Gaga). And the situation with Kim is quite different, I do stan her in general, but she's also under contract. I cannot blame her or Doja Cat for that and I want to support her, because it's not their fault. Artists, especially (trans) female artists have a hard time rising in the industry, so they'll take what is offered.

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1 minute ago, Kindness Hooker said:

But you're literally battling for Luke's life and honor against half the thread....

I'm just trying to stay rational and sane in these times as there is a lot of things you could bring to the table to ruin ones life without real evidence. If he really did that he deserved punishment and sooner or later it will be brought to the light, some phone call audio, messages or anything else will escalate this.

1 minute ago, xoxo Craig said:

I agree with that, I'm sorry I love her to bits but Jessie J literally done it. The LGBT community is being used to exploit marketing things, and because they see a female giving disco dance songs that appeal to the masses they think the can get away with anything.  

You can't admittedly say you use a derogatory term and then say "but its okay cause I like gay people". Like no, those two things contradict eachother and I'm quite disgusted that she would think thats okay to say. Imagine this was a white guy using the n word but saying its okay cause he like black people. I know race struggles aren't comparable but there would be an outcry. Its ridiculous and I don't know why people gove her the attention they do.

Exactly. 

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12 minutes ago, DutchHooker said:

Well lets start with saying that I love you so much 

I love the fact that you are so honest and it's actually a weird situation. However, I listen to music to be entertained, to get joy and just to have fun and let it play with my emotions. I do not really care what the background of artists is and how the music was produced and by whom, as long as I enjoy it. I also listen to Azealia Banks (well..) and Slayyyter (who made racist comments) because their music is dope. I have the ability to seperate the music of the person behind it, but then I just stan the music and not the person (like Gaga). And the situation with Kim is quite different, I do stan her in general, but she's also under contract. I cannot blame her or Doja Cat for that and I want to support her, because it's not their fault. Artists, especially (trans) female artists have a hard time rising in the industry, so they'll take what is offered.

You already know this but I love you x10 more   love you

I think for me, I have to like the full person as well as the artist and their vision. If Gaga had the exact opposite character to what she has now, I wouldn't be a Gaga stan. I stan because of the music, the passion, the artist, the person behind the art and what that person represents. So for me, everything is important to me. 

I think there comes a point where the two things overlap. When you are supporting an artist by streaming or buying, you are not only supporting the art, but the artist and the real person behind the art. And everyone who is involved in creating that art. Stefani Germanotta gets paid by being Lady Gaga and putting on spectacles and music for us to enjoy... y'know. If I'm spending my money on something, or listening to an artist, I need to know that my money/time and effort is going on someone who has good intentions at their core. I don't blame Doja or Kim, but the labels... and I can't bring myself to listen to them as thats going to be money in Dr Luke's pocket as well as the artists. Its ashame for the artists and I hope they can break free or something. 

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@xoxo Craig And also, Kim Petras is a trans woman, she's literally part of the LGBT, so that's different than Doja Cat. No label wanted her because she was transgender, it took her so many years to be where she is now and even now she's not big (yet). So I support her as a person too, because she's forced at Dr. Luke and she will never escape him if she won't get support.

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1 minute ago, xoxo Craig said:

You already know this but I love you x10 more   love you

I think for me, I have to like the full person as well as the artist and their vision. If Gaga had the exact opposite character to what she has now, I wouldn't be a Gaga stan. I stan because of the music, the passion, the artist, the person behind the art and what that person represents. So for me, everything is important to me. 

I think there comes a point where the two things overlap. When you are supporting an artist by streamimg or buying, you are not only supporting the art, but the artist and the real person behind the art. Stefani Germanotta gets paid by being Lady Gaga and putting on spectacles and music for us to enjoy... y'know. If I'm spending my money on something, or listening to an artist, I need to know that my money/time and effort is going on someone who has good intentions at their core. I don't blame Doja or Kim, but the labels... and I can't bring myself to listen to them as thats going to be money in Dr Luke's pocket as well as the artists. Its ashame for the artists and I hope they can break free or something. 

I really love that vision of you, it's actually so cute to see you caring

But I try to don't think too deep about things in life and this counts for many things, like eating meat, listening to that music, watching p*rn. When you think about it, it's all bad, but I don't want to spend my life worrying about everything.

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

2 minutes ago, DutchHooker said:

@xoxo Craig And also, Kim Petras is a trans woman, she's literally part of the LGBT, so that's different than Doja Cat. No label wanted her because she was transgender, it took her so many years to be where she is now and even now she's not big (yet). So I support her as a person too, because she's forced at Dr. Luke and she will never escape him if she won't get support.

Well I would potentially be stanning Kim (thanks to you ) if it weren't for Dr Luke... like we need to support LGBTQ artists where we can and she needs more attention. But like I said in my answer above, Luke is attached to Kim... 

I don't think I could ever stan or like, or even stream, Doja Cats music after what I've found out today 

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1 hour ago, Warning said:

I think it's similar case as with Kim Petras, they want to be know, they want BOPS they join Dr.Luke and then they try to ditch him after while or at least it seems like it. In the first place they wouldn't even sign with him as this is well known case with Dr. Luke but some musicians just want to have hits and it's ok, since most of the people will enjoy that music regardless with whom the artist works since nobody really check this kind of stuff except diehard fans or pop culture enthusiasts (Kim Petras now Doja Cat, I'm sure this list will go on the time goes by) at least in my humble opinion.

 

1 hour ago, OBEY said:

Most likely there's probably something in her contract that forbids her to talk about Dr Luke or whatever + Luke sued Kesha regarding her comments, surely other celebs will be careful bc they dont want to get sued neither

 

40 minutes ago, brownie said:

Did you actually read the tweets? She’s likely stuck in a recording contract with him same way Kesha was. 

 

16 minutes ago, DutchHooker said:

Well lets start with saying that I love you so much 

I love the fact that you are so honest and it's actually a weird situation. However, I listen to music to be entertained, to get joy and just to have fun and let it play with my emotions. I do not really care what the background of artists is and how the music was produced and by whom, as long as I enjoy it. I also listen to Azealia Banks (well..) and Slayyyter (who made racist comments) because their music is dope. I have the ability to seperate the music of the person behind it, but then I just stan the music and not the person (like Gaga). And the situation with Kim is quite different, I do stan her in general, but she's also under contract. I cannot blame her or Doja Cat for that and I want to support her, because it's not their fault. Artists, especially (trans) female artists have a hard time rising in the industry, so they'll take what is offered.

 

4 minutes ago, DutchHooker said:

@xoxo Craig And also, Kim Petras is a trans woman, she's literally part of the LGBT, so that's different than Doja Cat. No label wanted her because she was transgender, it took her so many years to be where she is now and even now she's not big (yet). So I support her as a person too, because she's forced at Dr. Luke and she will never escape him if she won't get support.

Okay if I remember correctly didn't Kim's contract ended or something and she decided to continue working with him? 'Cause if so that's what I would say is different between Doja and Kim. Doja seems to be obligated while Kim decided to continue with Luke

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Just now, Werk said:

Okay if I remember correctly didn't Kim's contract ended or something and she decided to continue worknig with him? Cause if so that's what I would say is different between Doja and Kim. Doja seems to be obligated.

Perhaps Dr.Luke is the only thing Kim can get, because no-one else wants her because she's trans (just an assumption). That makes her kind of obligated too in an unintentional way, because she's an artist for a living of course.

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Meh, it's a bop. Still gonna stream.