Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Giorno Giovanna said: Okay, I think I can agree on that. I'm just suprised to have a normal discussion with someone on gagadaily. Most people get angry, or try to be sassy as soon as you call them out. But you mostly replied with fair arguments, without getting personal. Understood, I think people are quick to argue for the sake of it here without having a discussion and it can get pretty nasty for no reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Concertaholic said: Sooo weâre supposed to end up with another four years of Trump? Trumpâs impacts on our judicial system and the Supreme Court will have negative impacts on the LGBTQ community, immigrants, and communities of color for a generation. We and all of our friends and family must go out and vote blue no matter what. At the very least we owe it to Ruth Bader Ginsburg because she cannot and should not have to serve another 4 years on the bench. a conservative agenda is not a death sentence. gay marriage will not be overturned. desegregation will not be over turned. immigrants will not be sentenced to death. stop the dramatics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 33,458 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, PussPuss said: I wouldn't put it past the DNC given what they've already done. I just have not personally seen evidence of it this time around. I was excited about Bernie but despite mobilizing a small but vocal base, I don't think he has the widespread support needed to win. That's just how it looks to me... I was really surprised with all the primaries because I thought Bernie would do better. But it makes sense Biden would be more appealing to more people. So I'm not necessarily calling "foul play" just yet. I seriously do not understand how someone who claims to have paid attention to the Democratic primary could claim that the party's interference in 2020 was less overt and obvious than 2016. They didn't even pretend to be neutral this time around. The Iowa Democratic Party deliberately released voting data in small info-dumps over the course of a week, each batch filled with easily correctable errors, the vast majority of which benefited Buttigieg and directly harmed Sanders, helping to create the media narrative that Buttigieg had managed to pull off some sort of upset when, by every metric, Sanders won Iowa. I've barely scratched the surface of what happened in Iowa alone. After Sanders won Iowa, won New Hampshire and won Nevada in a landslide, pundits with explicit connections to the Democratic Party began actively advocating for the Democratic Party to step in and deny Sanders the nomination. They were openly calling for a brokered convention to steal the nomination away from him, and had a whole list of talking points lined up to justify it. After Biden won South Carolina, the establishment explicitly lined up behind Biden with the express purpose of stopping Sanders. He was endorsed by every major political figure in every Super Tuesday state, and Obama himself made calls to coerce Buttigieg and Klobuchar to drop out and endorse Biden, likely promising them positions within their cabinet. They even pulled O'Rourke out of political irrelevancy to endorse Biden and swing Texas for him. They've been holding primaries in the middle of a pandemic to get this over with to prevent Sanders from staging a comeback. They've ignored rape allegations against Biden. The DNC is threatening states that want to postpone their primaries. They're not even being subtle about it. These primaries haven't been remotely legitimate.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Lover 868 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, PussPuss said: Did you actually listen to what Alyssa had to say though? When she started the #metoo movement women were not being believed at all and the movement was about making a disruption in the status quo by lifting up every female voice. The stance was "believe the victim" because it had not been that way ever. What she's saying is, once you created that momentum and a platform for those voices to be heard, you also have to consider then that not every accusation is going to be the truth. What don't you get? That's what she said recently in an interview. Her past actions that was literally less than two years ago as I indicated with Kavanagh totally contradicts what she said recently. I'm pretty sure she just said that for damage control. Keep up sweetie. You're embarrassing yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said: I seriously do not understand how someone who claims to have paid attention to the Democratic primary could claim that the party's interference in 2020 was less overt and obvious than 2016. They didn't even pretend to be neutral this time around. The Iowa Democratic Party deliberately released voting data in small info-dumps over the course of a week, each batch filled with easily correctable errors, the vast majority of which benefited Buttigieg and directly harmed Sanders, helping to create the media narrative that Buttigieg had managed to pull off some sort of upset when, by every metric, Sanders won Iowa. I've barely scratched the surface of what happened in Iowa alone. After Sanders won Iowa, won New Hampshire and won Nevada in a landslide, pundits with explicit connections to the Democratic Party began actively advocating for the Democratic Party to step in and deny Sanders the nomination. They were openly calling for a brokered convention to steal the nomination away from him, and had a whole list of talking points lined up to justify it. After Biden won South Carolina, the establishment explicitly lined up behind Biden with the express purpose of stopping Sanders. He was endorsed by every major political figure in every Super Tuesday state, and Obama himself made calls to coerce Buttigieg and Klobuchar to drop out and endorse Biden, likely promising them positions within their cabinet. They even pulled O'Rourke out of political irrelevancy to endorse Biden and swing Texas for him. They've been holding primaries in the middle of a pandemic to get this over with to prevent Sanders from staging a comeback. They've ignored rape allegations against Biden. The DNC is threatening states that want to postpone their primaries. They're not even being subtle about it. These primaries haven't been remotely legitimate.  Well I really wasn't paying attention that closely until Biden started winning by such a large margin which I found surprising. So I don't know what all led up to that because I thought Bernie was the strongest candidate and had the momentum. It all does seem fishy to me, but I don't know, maybe I'm being dense but what you're describing still sounds to me like individuals within the Democratic party supporting who they want vs the entire establishment aligning against Bernie. It's just really unfortunate we're in this position. There's too much at stake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,926 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, PussPuss said: I wouldn't put it past the DNC given what they've already done. I just have not personally seen evidence of it this time around. I was excited about Bernie but despite mobilizing a small but vocal base, I don't think he has the widespread support needed to win. That's just how it looks to me... I was really surprised with all the primaries because I thought Bernie would do better. But it makes sense Biden would be more appealing to more people. So I'm not necessarily calling "foul play" just yet. Fair, my points were revealed after the fact, but people have been speculating before then. And again, most people love his platform. Bidenâs only appeal is that he can beat Trump, and itâs not even a unique appeal + numbers are showing just how much of a farce the electability argument was. Itâs just people were mislead into thinking he wasnât electable, and I think he also could have made the case better. He should have a halo around him rn. Instead, heâs plagued w controversies and is at 24% extreme enthusiasm before Trump has even started his attack campaign. Itâs gonna be brutal for Joe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chromatic Lover said: That's what she said recently in an interview. Her past actions that was literally less than two years ago as I indicated with Kavanagh totally contradicts what she said recently. I'm pretty sure she just said that for damage control. Keep up sweetie. You're embarrassing yourself You being "pretty sure" doesn't mean sh*t about sh*t. Alyssa has the right to evolve her opinion and remain neutral if she feels she doesn't have all the info she would need to make a statement one way or the other. People like you are so ****ing toxic it's disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 33,458 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, PussPuss said: what you're describing still sounds to me like individuals within the Democratic party supporting who they want vs the entire establishment aligning against Bernie. I mean... did you read what I laid out above? The DNC, the electoral and organizational wing of the Democratic Party (not an âindividualâ by any means), is threatening states that want to postpone their primaries and has been doing so for the last month in an attempt to wrap this primary up immediately, to refuse to give Sanders a chance to rebound. They have expressly ignored credible rape allegations levied against Biden by one of his former senate staffers. A month ago, Sanders was the frontrunner. He was the first candidate in the history of the United States to win the popular vote in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. He was, according to every poll, poised to gain an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday. Just a couple of days before those elections were held, we saw an unprecedented consolidation of support behind Biden by the democratic establishment. He was heralded as the savior of the Democratic Party by pundits on MSNBC and CNN, pundits with histories of working in Democratic Party politics and with explicit connections to the Democratic Party. Take it from someone who paid attention to the entirety of this primary, every bit of the minutiae: 2016 was childâs play compared to what happened in 2020. The masks came off. We had users on this site parroting DNC talking points actively advocating for the party picking their own candidate to avoid a Sanders candidacy. Iâve never seen anything like what happened in this primary in my entire life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said: I mean... did you read what I laid out above? The DNC, the electoral and organizational wing of the Democratic Party (not an âindividualâ by any means), is threatening states that want to postpone their primaries and has been doing so for the last month in an attempt to wrap this primary up immediately, to refuse to give Sanders a chance to rebound. They have expressly ignored credible rape allegations levied against Biden by one of his former senate staffers. A month ago, Sanders was the frontrunner. He was the first candidate in the history of the United States to win the popular vote in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. He was, according to every poll, poised to gain an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday. Just a couple of days before those elections were held, we saw an unprecedented consolidation of support behind Biden by the democratic establishment. He was heralded as the savior of the Democratic Party by pundits on MSNBC and CNN, pundits with histories of working in Democratic Party politics and with explicit connections to the Democratic Party. Take it from someone who paid attention to the entirety of this primary, every bit of the minutiae: 2016 was childâs play compared to what happened in 2020. The masks came off. We had users on this site parroting DNC talking points actively advocating for the party picking their own candidate to avoid a Sanders candidacy. Iâve never seen anything like what happened in this primary in my entire life. How do we know that though? (bolded part) I have not followed the developments blow by blow because it legitimately depresses me so, I don't know every thing about what's happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 33,458 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, PussPuss said: How do we know that though? (bolded part) I have not followed the developments blow by blow because it legitimately depresses me so, I don't know every thing about what's happened. Here. Some other important points: DNC superdelegates were, just a month ago, openly threatening to block Sanders at the convention and hand the nomination to someone else. They were considering changing the rules of the primary to prevent him from securing the nomination. This idea that Bernie couldn't expand his base beyond a vocal minority of Democratic voters is absurd. He was leading in every metric after Nevada. He pulled ahead of Biden in every single demographic aside from voters above the age of 60. He was poised to win in a landslide. If the party establishment hadn't consolidated behind Biden after South Carolina, someone who had placed fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire, signaling that he had the institutional support of the party while the press openly went on the warpath against Sanders and heralded Biden as the only candidate who could beat Trump, Sanders would be on his way to a heated contested convention where the party would still be openly threatening to take the nomination away from him. Instead, the effort worked and they're holding poll workers and voters in Wisconsin hostage by holding in-person primaries in the middle of a global pandemic to coerce Sanders to drop out in April, months before Clinton dropped out back in 2008. What's happening is obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: Here. Some other important points: DNC superdelegates were, just a month ago, openly threatening to block Sanders at the convention and hand the nomination to someone else. They were considering changing the rules of the primary to prevent him from securing the nomination. This idea that Bernie couldn't expand his base beyond a vocal minority of Democratic voters is absurd. He was leading in every metric after Nevada. He pulled ahead of Biden in every single demographic aside from voters above the age of 60. He was poised to win in a landslide. If the party establishment hadn't consolidated behind Biden after South Carolina, someone who had placed fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire, signaling that he had the institutional support of the party while the press openly went on the warpath against Sanders and heralded Biden as the only candidate who could beat Trump, Sanders would be on his way to a heated contested convention where the party would still be openly threatening to take the nomination away from him. Instead, the effort worked and they're holding poll workers and voters in Wisconsin hostage by holding in-person primaries in the middle of a global pandemic to coerce Sanders to drop out in April, months before Clinton dropped out back in 2008. What's happening is obvious. Wow, yeah it's very bald facedâI didn't know it was this calculated and out in the open. Pretty disgusting. Thanks for providing those articles. What is there to do? This is why I can't stomach the details. It makes me feel hopeless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACATL 1,603 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Lemme get a summary for you rq EDIT: Go to 11:24  What supposed? The dem establishment secured another trash candidate. Trump 2020 is almost confirmed at this point lol And I'm guessing you think that Mr. Sanders wouldn't have all but secured a Trump win, huh?  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smother Em Eh 7,135 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Well she ended Alyssa Get Applause & G.U.Y to 1B views! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas85 400 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Alyssa's viewpoint makes sense. I don't like Biden at all but he is still clearly better than Trump. Also, allegations are just allegations and without proofs they are mostly irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest 884 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I love this damn feud.  I canât get over âyouâve always been a lieâ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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