HDD: Dua Lipa 55k

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the lashings....

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5 hours ago, Smith said:

Oh, sis, you still trying 

Trying what?

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6 hours ago, Deagan said:

Trying what?

who will tell him?

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2 hours ago, Smith said:

who will tell him?

Don't say anything if you literally have nothing to say. I'm not still trying anything. You are. 

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44 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Don't say anything if you literally have nothing to say. I'm not still trying anything. You are. 

If I were you after all the nonsensе you wrote about this topic - I would not go into the forum for at least a month and be ashamed of myself. And not to answer the others the way you do. But people are different and not everyone knows exactly when and how much he is exposed to and when he needs to close his mouth.

Putting women against each other in 2020 is disgusting. Now is a difficult time for everyone. It is a pity that the pandemic and the leak cost a much stronger week for Dua. But I hope she releases the Deluxe version after the pandemic with some new songs, some of which would be a big hit. For the sales of her third album, it all depends on how she will play cards with this one, and despite the nasty weather, she can still get positives.

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22 hours ago, Smith said:

I would not go into the forum for at least a month and be ashamed of myself. And not to answer the others the way you do (1).

Putting women against each other in 2020 is disgusting (2). It is a pity that the pandemic and the leak cost a much stronger week for Dua (3).

(1) Lol. I thought that this was just a pop forum? People make mistakes (like randomly shouting 250k fake news), but I hardly feel like being ashamed for at least a month.

(2) Tell that to everyone else "making fun" of Dua's "numbers" (first page) and claiming Gaga's decision to postpone was smart ("and y'all thinking Dua Lipa could save pop music"). Those kind of statements trigger my "watch her outsell Gaga this year" side.

(3). Why do you even think the pandemic affected her release? I might have been confused regarding WW or US sales first week, but everyone else seems to be confused by claiming she was hurt by corona. She'll easily do much more than 60k worldwide, it's tenfold better than her debut album, she apparantly is new to the US public, and everyone is stuck inside streaming (and she is a streaming queen). Besides, nobody has the slightest clue how much Gaga will pull with a postponed album due to corona. Postponing the album with a not-really-clicking lead single will probably affect chromatica more than corona currently affects Dua as Gaga sells albums and Dua sells streams. All I wanted to say to those people making fun is not to laugh so hard until Chromatica numbers appear, because our fave might not do as well either. And for Chromatica's sake, let's hope that second single is a smash.

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5 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Postponing the album with a not-really-clicking lead single will probably affect chromatica more than corona currently affects Dua as Gaga sells albums and Dua sells streams. All I wanted to say to those people making fun is not to laugh so hard until Chromatica numbers appear. And for Chromatica's sake, let's hope that second single is a smash.

The thing is, Joanne did perfectly well with a not-really-clicking lead single. As long as she promotes the album like she did Joanne, she’s gonna be perfectly fine despite the lead single.

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19 minutes ago, Jose P said:

The thing is, Joanne did perfectly well with a not-really-clicking lead single. As long as she promotes the album like she did Joanne, she’s gonna be perfectly fine despite the lead single.

Joanne didn't have fans waiting for months due to coronavirus, and let's be fair.. Joanne did not do "perfectly well".. hell, it flopped harder than ARTPOP. Nobody knows about Joanne except for maybe having streamed Million Reasons once after hearing it at the superbowl. I definitely do not wish a Joanne-type-era for Gaga..

So the real thing is, every Gaga fan here making fun of Dua's first week US numbers needs to scratch him/herself/themselves behind the ears, as FN will probably outsell Chromatica by far (WW and in the long run to be clear), unless that second single feat. Ari is going to pull Shallow/DSN numbers.

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Did anyone notice miss Billie Legend’s debut album is still top 15 . She’s such a force.  Now that we call an album artist 

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44 minutes ago, Deagan said:

Joanne didn't have fans waiting for months due to coronavirus, and let's be fair.. Joanne did not do "perfectly well".. hell, it flopped harder than ARTPOP. Nobody knows about Joanne except for maybe having streamed Million Reasons once after hearing it at the superbowl. I definitely do not wish a Joanne-type-era for Gaga..

So the real thing is, every Gaga fan here making fun of Dua's first week US numbers needs to scratch him/herself behind the ears, as FN will probably outsell Chromatica by far (WW to be clear), unless that second single feat. Ari is going to pull Shallow/DSN numbers.

Joanne did perfectly well for what it was, a non-mainstream pop folk country  album, and it did go platinum after all. I wouldn’t call that a flop at all, especially since it was her first solo album cycle since the mess that was ARTPOP and like I said, was preceded by an underperforming lead single. Future Nostalgia will most likely not outsell Chromatica. You just seem to go on and on despite the evidence right under your nose, and when you’re proven wrong you just hop on something else desperately. Dua is just not THAT big outside of the UK and stan world. You were already wrong about how big she is in the US, thinking it was impossible for her to debut with less than 100k.

You’re just very misinformed with Dua’s popularity. And I actually do like Dua, so it’s not like I’m rooting for her to fail or anything, I’m just being realistic. FN will not be a flop at all, but Gaga is just an overall stronger album seller and the fact that you say she will struggle to sell with a weak lead kind of makes it seem like you don’t even know her career or something. Obviously, anything is possible, but it’s not unrealistic to believe Chromatica will sell very well, and even better than FN based on the numbers that have been reported thus far.

Imagine thinking Joanne was a flop tho, like girl where? Just because it didn’t sell as much as her first three albums released during her peak? Joanne wasn’t only released when Gaga wasn’t the it girl anymore, it had a very unconventional sound for her, it was a folk/ country pop album. Taking that into consideration it was a truly a success. Many pop girls from the early 2010s would kill to make the numbers Gaga did in her 5th album with a non-mainstream sound and a weak lead.

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1 hour ago, Jose P said:

Joanne, a non-mainstream pop folk country album (1)

Future Nostalgia will most likely not outsell Chromatica. You just seem to go on and on despite the evidence right under your nose, and when you’re proven wrong you just hop on something else desperately. Dua is just not THAT big outside of the UK and stan world. You were already wrong about how big she is in the US, thinking it was impossible for her to debut with less than 100k. (2) 

Gaga is just an overall stronger album seller and the fact that you say she will struggle to sell with a weak lead kind of makes it seem like you don’t even know her career or something. (3)

It’s not unrealistic to believe Chromatica will sell very well, and even better than FN based on the numbers that have been reported thus far. (4)

Imagine thinking Joanne was a flop tho, like girl where? Just because it didn’t sell as much as her first three albums released during her peak? Joanne wasn’t only released when Gaga wasn’t the it girl anymore, it had a very unconventional sound for her, it was a folk/ country pop album. Taking all of that into consideration it was a truly a success. Many pop girls from the early 2010s would kill to make the numbers Gaga did in her 5th album with a non-mainstream sound and a weak lead. (1)

You're clearly unaware of the things that have been discussed here, sir.

(2) I was confused by WW/US  activity, that is my mistake. Dua Lipa is big in the EU, not just UK, and actually, pulling 60k first week in the US with no clue how long the album will float around the charts is not small at all. There is no evidence, ever presented in this thread, that FN could not outsell Chromatica. In fact, it's very likely that it will outsell Chromatica given that this is her second album.

(3) Gaga is an overall stronger album seller than Dua Lipa? Really? Now or entire career? Now - no way jose! Some number of song streams are equivalent to an album unit now. DL's debut outsold all Gaga's solo efforts since BTW (and yes, that is SPS). Maybe Gaga ships more phsyical copies or digital downloads in the US (first week), but she certainly doesn't outsell many other pop girls SPS right now. Which is fine and I don't care so much. I grew up with TMB as my first tour, have bought every album and have seen and will see every tour (except maybe Chromatica ball), but it is totally arrogant for Gaga fans to be bragging about how much Gaga sells these days...

(4) SO which Chromatica numbers have been reported on which you are referring to? Going by SL performing similar or even worse than PI, Chromatica as is shouldn't do better than Joanne or ARTPOP, or even C2C (which sold an impressive 300k first week). Gaga might effortlessly pull in a 100-150k first week US album sales from her fanbase, but next to that she globally doesn't have any selling power right now. So DL's second, first "aware" release, after doing 7m streaming album units in her first era and 4m+ sales of her debut, can definitely be expected to do better than Chromatica.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Point is that Gaga can not be said to be doing so well right now with SL, so it's completely illogical to make fun of Dua's first week US predictions while being a Gaga stan right now. Just like a KatyCat shouldn't have any laughing to do. Nor Kesha fans (me).

(1) Whatever you want to consider a flop is whatever you want to consider a flop, but Joanne sold considerably less than ARTPOP and ARTPOP actually was less of a mess, at least less of a flop, than Joanne - if sales are a metric. Imagine thinking Joanne is not a mainstream pop, but a folk country album... It is definitely a pop album, which has some country influences on some songs. Is BTW a country album cuz of You and I? That single was very country and did fine? Taylor Swift sells a lot of country-pop? Diamond Heart, Dancing In Circles, Perfect Illusion, it's all very (dance-)pop, produced by bloodpop. The lead single did not scream "buy this country album", either. 

Many pop girls from the early 2010s would kill to make the numbers Gaga did in her 5th album with a non-mainstream sound and a weak lead? Hm. Some would. Like Kesha and Xtina. Others don't, like Riri or Yonce. We can agree here though.. Gaga is doing fine for 5 solo albums in.

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1 hour ago, Deagan said:

Joanne didn't have fans waiting for months due to coronavirus, and let's be fair.. Joanne did not do "perfectly well".. hell, it flopped harder than ARTPOP. Nobody knows about Joanne except for maybe having streamed Million Reasons once after hearing it at the superbowl. I definitely do not wish a Joanne-type-era for Gaga..

So the real thing is, every Gaga fan here making fun of Dua's first week US numbers needs to scratch him/herself/themselves behind the ears, as FN will probably outsell Chromatica by far (WW and in the long run to be clear), unless that second single feat. Ari is going to pull Shallow/DSN numbers.

You seriously have no idea about sales if you think Joanne flopped or did worse than ARTPOP. Sales are declining year by year, and You don't compare sales from 2013 to sales from 2016 or 2020 etc. 

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16 minutes ago, Deagan said:

You're clearly unaware of the things that have been discussed here, sir.

(2) I was confused by WW/US  activity, that is my mistake. Dua Lipa is big in the EU, not just UK, and actually, pulling 60k first week in the US with no clue how long the album will float around the charts is not small at all. There is no evidence, ever presented in this thread, that FN could not outsell Chromatica. In fact, it's very likely that it will outsell Chromatica given that this is her second album.

(3) Gaga is an overall stronger album seller than Dua Lipa? Really? Now or entire career? Now - no way jose! Some number of song streams are equivalent to an album unit now. DL's debut outsold all Gaga's solo efforts since BTW (and yes, that is SPS). Maybe Gaga ships more phsyical copies or digital downloads in the US (first week), but she certainly doesn't outsell many other pop girls SPS right now. Which is fine and I don't care so much. I grew up with TMB as my first tour, have bought every album and have seen and will see every tour (except maybe Chromatica ball), but it is totally arrogant for Gaga fans to be bragging about how much Gaga sells these days...

(4) SO which Chromatica numbers have been reported on which you are referring to? Going by SL performing similar or even worse than PI, Chromatica as is shouldn't do better than Joanne or ARTPOP, or even C2C (which sold an impressive 300k first week). Gaga might effortlessly pull in a 100-150k first week US album sales from her fanbase, but next to that she globally doesn't have any selling power right now. So DL's second, first "aware" release, after doing 7m streaming album units in her first era and 4m+ sales of her debut, can definitely be expected to do better than Chromatica.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Point is that Gaga can not be said to be doing so well right now with SL, so it's completely illogical to make fun of Dua's first week US predictions while being a Gaga stan right now. Just like a KatyCat shouldn't have any laughing to do. Nor Kesha fans (me).

(1) Whatever you want to consider a flop is whatever you want to consider a flop, but Joanne sold considerably less than ARTPOP and ARTPOP actually was less of a mess, at least less of a flop, than Joanne - if sales are a metric. Imagine thinking Joanne is not a mainstream pop, but a folk country album... It is definitely a pop album, which has some country influences on some songs. Is BTW a country album cuz of You and I? That single was very country and did fine? Taylor Swift sells a lot of country-pop? Diamond Heart, Dancing In Circles, Perfect Illusion, it's all very (dance-)pop, produced by bloodpop. The lead single did not scream "buy this country album", either. 

Many pop girls from the early 2010s would kill to make the numbers Gaga did in her 5th album with a non-mainstream sound and a weak lead? Hm. Some would. Like Kesha and Xtina. Others don't, like Riri or Yonce.

Look I’m really tired of running around in circles here, but you did misunderstand some of the things I said. First, in regards to the reported numbers I mentioned in my post, I meant the numbers reported for Future Nostalgia thus far, not Stupid Love or anything regarding Chromatica.

And by the 2000-2010s artists that would kill for these numbers at that stage of their career, yes I agree Rih and Beyoncé wouldn’t bc they’ve always been monsters in terms of sales. But then there are some who would like Kesha, Xtina, Britney, Katy. You could even say Nicki maybe.

And by the non-mainstream sound, yes I know Joanne is pop, but it’s very country and folk influenced, and it’s a sound that wasn’t very popular back then nor is it now. It’s also a sound that Gaga isn’t known for, and could have greatly affected her sales significantly given she was not the powerful giant she was during her peak. Yet it did very well considering the place she was in her career and the promo it received. That’s what I meant.

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1 hour ago, Emigrante said:

You seriously have no idea about sales if you think Joanne flopped or did worse than ARTPOP. Sales are declining year by year, and You don't compare sales from 2013 to sales from 2016 or 2020 etc. 

Joanne did flop, and it did worse than ARTPOP. ARTPOP is actually the "flop" that never really flopped. What do you even mean sales are declining year by year? The Weeknd is selling albums just fine, in fact pulling his best numbers ever. So is Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, whomever. Just because sales are counted SPS now doesn't mean that music doesn't sell at all anymore. Also I don't know when y'all think this streaming era started, but Joanne is from 2016, which is perfectly in the streaming era. ARTPOP was too, actually.

So you can keep trying to state I have no idea about sales, but I fail to see how you're going to sell the story that Joanne outperformed ARTPOP. Please have a go.

Joanne's SPS don't even come close to ARTPOP's pure sales