Hate vs Constructive Criticism vs Trolling

[kaelergrey 5,386]

After being in this forum for awhile, I recognize that some users here bash an artist work more than sometimes praising it and im saying that in general from indie artists, other pop artists, and yes even Lady Gaga. 

For example, Stupid Love by Lady Gaga. There will always be a thread saying how bad the song is. How bad the charting position is etc. Though I also see threads on how amazing the song is.

Though everyone has an opinion and everyone has different taste... 

Where is the fine line between PURE HATE, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM or TROLLING just to get attention? 

 

 

[rumours 45,521]

From Merriam-Webster:

Pure Hate - "It  fails to acknowledge the merits of the counterargument and doesn't make a convincing argument for itself oftentimes. It's hateful (obviously), and really doesn't give us the humor that we need as the Coronavirus decides to be a beech."

Constructive Criticism - "I may disagree with this, but points were made. It also wasn't as heated  as Pure Hate."

Trolling - "If you weren't amusing me, I'd shank your fat *ss. But you are so... continue. Just tread carefully, you skank."

 

[FFXIV WhiteMage 5,935]

IMO, if everyone will just express their opinions in a civil way then there will be no heated arguments or peaceful discussions will pursue instead. 
 

But this is the internet and trolls/OGH are inevitable. 

[TWICE on hatius 4,746]

“Flop, abc outsold, release another single”: zero arguments, zero contribution and zero thoughts put in the statement —> trolling

“The single was outrageously bad because its video was cheap and I don’t like generic sound of it” : sounds like an argument but it is covered with vague and over negative adjectives without any solid logical thinking —> typical meltdown 

“I don’t like the video because the effect was not well made. For example, when Gaga lift up the dancers, it feels zero weights with them. Also the single is not my favorite song, the instrumental was quite outshining the vocal and bla bla. Although I think I like abc but that doesn’t work enough for me” : argument with subjective feelings, however pointing out the real reasons they don’t like it, and keep the argument respectful and try to complement st —> constructive argument 

There should be no hate here, cause if you really dislike Gaga, why are you here

 

 

[Red Velvet 10,988]

It's like this:

Pure Hate: OMG I HATE JENNIE BECAUSE SHE TOUCHED KAI, OMG!1!1!1!1  EXO KAI IS MY BABY, DONT TOUCH HIM YOU DUMB

Trolling: jennie flopped with solo 😂😂😂😂 she dont deserve a solo, lazy dancer

Constructive Argument: I love Jennie, however her dancing seemed to be a little out of tone sometimes, but let's not judge because we don't know what's happening with her. 

[geusst1235 5,398]

Yeah there are users who consistently leave comments with condescending undertones directed towards Gaga and her team for absolutely no reason. Differing opinions and perspectives are obviously allowed here, but there is no need for "criticisms" such as

"Stupid Love is trash"

"Gaga has clearly sold out"

"The Stupid Love music video was executed horribly and the director should be fired"

"Enigma is so cringey omg I hate it"

"She (Gaga) is such a bitch"

"Sarah really needs to be fired"

"That dumb sloth (Bobby) needs to be let go"

Etc.

I've said it a thousand times before, but there is a difference between presenting differing opinions maturely, and spouting overtly negative/immature drivel as if Gaga has personally slighted you. I try to point out why such abhorrent comments are unwarranted as often as I can while keeping it civil. As fans of Gaga we should be spreading love and positivity, not hate nor hostility.

[2School4Cool 6,449]

I think there is way too much hate on this site and on the internet in general. Whenever an artist who someone doesn’t like releases a new song, people feel the need to say things like “this is trash, I hope it flops” or “ew this is disgusting” or “I hope this song is horrible so it doesn’t become a hit and we don’t need to hear it nonstop.” There’s nothing constructive about this, it’s just hate. If someone makes a thread about an artist I don’t like, I either don’t look at it or don’t comment, but that’s just me. I could easily go around saying “how do you all like _____ I don’t get it, it’s so bad,” but that would ruin the fun for those who love it, and there’s nothing constructive about it. I’m not saying people shouldn’t share an honest opinion. We all have different tastes in music, and that’s great! A Gaga fan, an Ariana Grande fan, an Ed Sheeran fan, and a Katy Perry fan should all be able to get along and be friends. We need to learn how to say “you know what, this isn’t my favorite thing, but that’s just my opinion.” If you don’t like Stupid Love for example, that’s totally okay, you’re entitled to that opinion, but let’s not call it trash and hope it fails. Putting negativity out into the world doesn’t do anyone any good, you’ll be so much happier if you try spreading positivity.

[brucee 1,690]

it's so important to be kind because it's just entertainment. At some point it's important to share your point of view and ideas and to bring something to the table. 

I think that the video is all about the choreography, the rest is just pure distraction from the core of the work. From the quality of Gaga's vocals. 

You think it looks cheap and it's lazy... I say it looks intimate and carefree, and also full of passion. 

The last time I criticised Gaga, it was for the lyric video of The Cure. I said that it was cheap because we could see the stitching.  This was for me the warning point. I had to acknowledge the fact that I was being ungrateful. And also I really really felt dumb to put such expectations on her and not as much on me.

I think this situation is all about the way we perceive ourselves and how we translate it into the world. 

Maybe for a day, or a week, or a year, trying not to speak if we don't have something nice to say.. as a spiritual game you play with yourself ? 

[audrey horne 1,180]

6 hours ago, billygrey said:

Where is the fine line between PURE HATE, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM or TROLLING just to get attention? 

Bad faith, ignorance and lack of empathy maybe?