Regina George 59,387 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, RenegAde said: Nope , quit drawing invalid conclusions. Im sure ariana is a very talented trapstar .bless her heart. But we all know miley is more up gagas alley than ariana which btw was the original point of this thread It’s not invalid conclusion when you write “she’s not a manufactured pop star” while you’re writing reasons why you think Miley is better than Ariana for a collaboration with Gaga. I didn’t quote you ti argue with you and I wasn’t rude. You completely missed the point and are still going at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Software said: Lmao stop acting like Gaga makes some groundbreaking edgy experimental music, this "generic" debate is so tired, at the end of the day both Ariana and Gaga are corporate manufactured mainstream artists that purposely make appealing music that is aimed at a wide audience. Please go expand your musical horizons if you think Gaga isn't manufactured. She doesn't even own her album masters..Gaga is SIGNED at Interscope, which is owned by UNIVERSAL MUSIC also knows as the biggest record label in the world which owns about 65% of the market. What matters here is the finished product. In reality, people don't give a damn about authenticity in this kind of process. It's mainstream pop aesthetics, assumed, fabricated and reflected as such. A pop music product proposition is not debatable as "it's not authentic"; in Fact pop music is all about trends. and generic is a term to be forgotten. Everyone is manufactured to some extent, even the most indie guy in the world will always conform to the image that the movement in which he is, expects from him, whether he wants it or not. Apparently we misunderstood them : 20 minutes ago, RenegAde said: Im not sure i recall calling ariana a manufactured popstar but go off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JINNOCIDE 3,827 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 why people are so pressed y'all act like a gun as pointed at gaga's head and she was forced to collab cant you see that if it's indeed real gaga wanted to collab with her too? like... wtf? is not a hard concept to grasp STAN RINA SAWAYAMA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTW The Best Album 68 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I have to admit I was happy with Grimes collaboration rumors, but now they've been denied and here we are... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JINNOCIDE 3,827 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 this "X person is not a real artist" argument HAS to stop. people here use it all the time to justify someone they don't like and put them in a cage of "talentless/moneygrab/fabricated star" stop acting like gaga is the holy trinity of artistry, not even herself sees that way anymore and its not cute to you as a fan to come and dictate your personal taste as a fact with this negative posts like "omg she's a sell out" "omg not X they're untalented TRASH" like for fvcks sake it's pop music, it can be serious and it can be pop fun, don't ruin the fun for everybody just because of your pretentious artistry you're not better than anyone just because you listen to Bach and Mozart this rant was not directed to OP but to the community overall. /end STAN RINA SAWAYAMA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsenigma 9,520 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, RenegAde said: Nope , quit drawing invalid conclusions. Im sure ariana is a very talented trapstar .bless her heart. But we all know miley is more up gagas alley than ariana which btw was the original point of this thread "trapstar" lmao most of her music is like 70% R&B and the rest straight up pop and some have trap influences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ARTPOPSlays Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 A lot of you are acting like she would just do this to get a number one. But do you really think Gaga would do that? She always has collared with people shewas genuinely interested in so I don’t think she’s out here to just get a number one. Which is why this is so interesting to me. Tbh, it threw me off when I heard about it too, but this is what Gaga is all about! Doing the exact opposite of what we expect of her! Always on the edge of our seats. I feel like there is this stigma that Gaga only collabs with certain artists that maybe aren’t as mainstream or like another user said “unknown talents”. But I think we need to remember that Gaga also is a mainstream artist, she just the most interesting mainstream artist lol. But I gotta say, I’ve definitly played into this stigma and had it planted in my brain that it would be low of her to do a track with someone like Ariana or just doing it for a hit, but I don’t see Gaga this way, and whatever comes out of this, I’m gonna be open minded. I’m sure the song will be great, and I do like Ariana, I like her last two albums a lot. And they’re both very talented, so I am exxited to see what comes out of it as I can’t really picture it on my own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Alien 431 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Some of y’all need to see the doctor because if a collab that has nothing to do with your family/relationships/job makes you wanna throw up, you’re in some really toxic mental dependency. It’s music and it’s her music. Let the girl do what she wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTW The Best Album 68 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, GAGA NOTIFY said: "trapstar" lmao most of her music is like 70% R&B and the rest straight up pop and some have trap influences. Personally, R&B is what I like the least from all music genres. Closest to this Gaga ever made was Second Time Around. I don't know what to expect from this kind of collab, maybe something like R. Kelly did in DWUW, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,542 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Software said: Lmao stop acting like Gaga makes some groundbreaking edgy experimental music, this "generic" debate is so tired, at the end of the day both Ariana and Gaga are corporate manufactured mainstream artists that purposely make appealing music that is aimed at a wide audience. Please go expand your musical horizons if you think Gaga isn't manufactured. She doesn't even own her album masters..Gaga is SIGNED at Interscope, which is owned by UNIVERSAL MUSIC also knows as the biggest record label in the world which owns about 65% of the market. What matters here is the finished product. In reality, people don't give a damn about authenticity in this kind of process. It's mainstream pop aesthetics, assumed, fabricated and reflected as such. A pop music product proposition is not debatable as "it's not authentic"; in Fact pop music is all about trends. and generic is a term to be forgotten. Everyone is manufactured to some extent, even the most indie guy in the world will always conform to the image that the movement in which he is, expects from him, whether he wants it or not. All your favorite popstars signed at UNIVERSAL MUSIC are manufactured, you're just delusional if you think they aren't. Gaga writes her music, she plays several instruments ,she is classically trianed ,she is a creative force .she is 100% involved in the process of creating her music. Some artist are not . Some popstars merely puts on the clothes and sing the songs that they had no idea how they were created That is the difference between a manufactured popstar and a musician/artiste . You trying to sound smart and ended up going off point ..laughable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine 1,909 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, JINNOCIDE said: this "X person is not a real artist" argument HAS to stop. people here use it all the time to justify someone they don't like and put them in a cage of "talentless/moneygrab/fabricated star" stop acting like gaga is the holy trinity of artistry, not even herself sees that way anymore and its not cute to you as a fan to come and dictate your personal taste as a fact with this negative posts like "omg she's a sell out" "omg not X they're untalented TRASH" like for fvcks sake it's pop music, it can be serious and it can be pop fun, don't ruin the fun for everybody just because of your pretentious artistry you're not better than anyone just because you listen to Bach and Mozart this rant was not directed to OP but to the community overall. /end I so love this A lot of here tends to feel like experts in terms of artistry and creative process. I just can't. It's MUSIC, let gaga do what she wants. She wants to have fun, stop being so technical on things, geez. /end "And I still love you even if I can't see you anymore." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floppy 7,951 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, FentyGa said: ah yes, another pretentious monster thinking gaga’s this off-limits queen who can only collab with unknown talents millions of people see something in ariana, and if gaga’s collabing with her, she clearly does, too. if you don’t, that’s fine, but don’t act like she’s beneath gags It's funny because Gaga just admitted to being pretentious herself and called herself out for it. The way little complainers constantly lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine 1,909 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, RenegAde said: Gaga writes her music, she plays several instruments ,she is classically trianed ,she is a creative force .she is 100% involved in the process of creating her music. Some artist are not . Some popstars merely puts on the clothes and sing the songs that they had no idea how they were created That is the difference between a manufactured popstar and a musician/artiste . You trying to sound smart and ended up going off point ..laughable "You trying to sound smart and ended up going off point ..laughable" applies to you honestly "And I still love you even if I can't see you anymore." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWitch 720 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Honestly, I was super hyped after the album announcement and I’m more nervous after the potential that Ariana is on it, as well as disturbed by how many people want a Cardi B collab to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doncho 27,241 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I am not a big Ariana fan, and I disliked her TUN singles. But honestly, she is a main pop girl and its time Gaga has a new collab. So, bring it on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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