Guest Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, Whispering said: I think they will leave troops all over the ME and Northern Africa. ISIS will come back and we will end up fighting them again, even with Bernie being President. Bernie will fund the military, like all the past Presidents. Yea, it will be like the wall. There will be lots of things like the wall. I agree he wont be able to stop current wars or military presence, but all I hope for is no new wars. Even if Bernie cant do anything, its better than having someone who goes along with the system. Trump supporters will tell you they dont actually care about a physical wall, its all symbolic and that alone is effective. Do you think if my country asks Bernie for money to fight Yemen he will? ISIS cant exist without global and foreign government funding. I dont think Bernie will fund ISIS, nor will he allow Middle Eastern governments to do so. Funding the military is not wrong, funding it to do illegal war crimes is wrong. Please fund your military to actually helping us, but I dont think that is the intentions of any of the people in power who work for the military industrial complex and selling weapons. I think for me, its better to take a chance on Bernie than any of the current candidates. I would seriously be scared if any of them were to win the presidency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Still here for Amy Klobuchar/Bernie Sanders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: I agree he wont be able to stop current wars or military presence, but all I hope for is no new wars. Even if Bernie cant do anything, its better than having someone who goes along with the system. Trump supporters will tell you they dont actually care about a physical wall, its all symbolic and that alone is effective. Do you think if my country asks Bernie for money to fight Yemen he will? ISIS cant exist without global and foreign government funding. I dont think Bernie will fund ISIS, nor will he allow Middle Eastern governments to do so. Funding the military is not wrong, funding it to do illegal war crimes is wrong. Please fund your military to actually helping us, but I dont think that is the intentions of any of the people in power who work for the military industrial complex and selling weapons. I think for me, its better to take a chance on Bernie than any of the current candidates. I would seriously be scared if any of them were to win the presidency. I think you are going to be surprised at how much of a politician Bernie really is, if he does get the nomination, and if he does manage to beat Trump. You should be seriously scared of Trump staying in office. He doesn’t give a **** about the ME and if he doesn’t have reelection hanging over his head, it will only get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Whispering said: I think you are going to be surprised at how much of a politician Bernie really is, if he does get the nomination, and if he does manage to beat Trump. You should be seriously scared of Trump staying in office. He doesn’t give a **** about the ME and if he doesn’t have reelection hanging over his head, it will only get worse. Im am scared of Trump as much as I am scared of the rest of the Democratic candidates. I dont think Bernie is a politician, maybe he is but im willing to take a chance on him rather than a corporate Democrat who will 100% be for war. Even if Sanders is bad, atleast his support will grow and most of his supporters are extremely anti war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Im am scared of Trump as much as I am scared of the rest of the Democratic candidates. I dont think Bernie is a politician, maybe he is but im willing to take a chance on him rather than a corporate Democrat who will 100% be for war. Even if Sanders is bad, atleast his support will grow and most of his supporters are extremely anti war. 78 per cent of Democrats want to end the current wars we are involved in. That is way more than supports Bernie, so there are supporters of other candidates that are anti war. The “rest of the Democratic Candidates” are for withdrawing from Afghanistan as soon as possible. You can read what they all said about it here: https://www.cfr.org/article/presidential-candidates-war-afghanistan Bernie is not the only one that is for ending these never-ending wars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Whispering said: 78 per cent of Democrats want to end the current wars we are involved in. That is way more than supports Bernie, so there are supporters of other candidates that are anti war. The “rest of the Democratic Candidates” are for withdrawing from Afghanistan as soon as possible. You can read what they all said about it here: https://www.cfr.org/article/presidential-candidates-war-afghanistan Bernie is not the only one that is for ending these never-ending wars. Nobody claims they are for war, this is why statistics show people saying they are against wars. But when America tries to start a war, Democrats and the media always talk about how they have trust in the government, and that war is something we must do. So basically they fall for the propaganda every single time and make excuses. Progressives and Libertarians are the only ones criticizing and exposing their own government propaganda and media, and getting to the root cause of the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Nobody claims they are for war, this is why statistics show people saying they are against wars. But when the America tries to start a war, Democrats and the media always talk about how they have trust in the government, and that war is something we must do. So basically they fall for the propaganda every single time and make excuses. Progressives and Libertarians are the only ones criticizing and exposing their own government propaganda and media, and getting to the root cause of the problem. That’s the Republicans. Read all the answers at the link provided. You will see the foreign policy policies of the candidates. It will help you if you get information from other sources than TYT. It helps to get some balance, if you want to be deeply involved in another country’s politics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Whispering said: That’s the Republicans. Read all the answers at the link provided. You will see the foreign policy policies of the candidates. It will help you if you get information from other sources than TYT. It helps to get some balance, if you want to be deeply involved in another country’s politics. No, Republicans are more straight forward, they openly say they are for war and that Muslims are dangerous. Democrats attack Republicans for being Islamophobic and claim to defend Muslims while they are bombing us. And the link you gave only talks about Afghanistan which everyone today disagrees with. But nobody releases a foreign policy that says they are for war, so I dont care what they say. When it comes to the Middle East and foreign policy, I dont get my news from TYT. I also dont get my news from American media, I only follow American media when it comes to topics concerning America like their elections for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: No, Republicans are more straight forward, they openly say they are for war and that Muslims are dangerous. Democrats attack Republicans for being Islamophobic and claim to defend Muslims while they are bombing us. And the link you gave only talks about Afghanistan which everyone today disagrees with. But nobody releases a foreign policy that says they are for war, so I dont care what they say. When it comes to the Middle East and foreign policy, I dont get my news from TYT. I also dont get my news from American media, I only follow American media when it comes to topics concerning America like their elections for example. Yes, that’s the Republicans...but you used to say just the opposite. You need to decide where you stand on this to try to stir **** up. The link I gave you has twelve different questions on foreign policy. Scroll to the end and look at all the other questions. Every candidate has extensive answers on their foreign policy at this point, due to their candidate sites and also the multitude of interviews, town halls, etc. they have been involved with for months now. The only way to get the foreign policy stances and proposals are to take time, research the candidates extensively. You are basing your opinions and expressing them in every thread on where these candidates stand on foreign policy. Therefore, you are doing more than “ following the elections”. You are spreading information that you haven’t bothered to research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Whispering said: Yes, that’s the Republicans...but you used to say just the opposite. You need to decide where you stand on this to try to stir **** up. The link I gave you has twelve different questions on foreign policy. Scroll to the end and look at all the other questions. Every candidate has extensive answers on their foreign policy at this point, due to their candidate sites and also the multitude of interviews, town halls, etc. they have been involved with for months now. The only way to get the foreign policy stances and proposals are to take time, research the candidates extensively. You are basing your opinions and expressing them in every thread on where these candidates stand on foreign policy. Therefore, you are doing more than “ following the elections”. You are spreading information that you haven’t bothered to research. I dont falsely accuse any of these candidates or spread misinformation. Its not false information to say I dont trust them because they are part of the corporate Democrat system. The corporate Democrat system that is part of the war machine and the military industrial complex. I red your link and its invalid what their answers are, nobody runs for president promising a pro war candidacy. You cant just go with what is on their policy website. During the elections, Trump was extremely anti war and promised no wars. He even accused the US government for being criminals and apologized to Muslims! clearly, we should not go by what candidates say. And yes I did say in the past that Republicans are anti war, but our conversation was about Republicans today and how the party changed. The Neocon era of Republicans ended, and many Republicans today want to focus on domestic issues. Just look at Fox News and Tucker Carson aggressively attacking Trump on his attempted war with Iran, while CNN and other Democrats were acting like its a hard decision and we must trust the government. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: I do not falsely accuse any of these candidates or spread misinformation, I barely even talk about them. Its not false information to say I dont trust them because they are part of the corporate Democrat system. The corporate Democrat system that is part of the war machine and the military industrial complex. I red your link and its invalid what their answers are, nobody runs for president promising a pro war candidacy. You cant just go with what is on their policy website. During the elections, Trump was extremely anti war and promised no wars. He even accused the US government for being criminals and apologized to Muslims! clearly, we should not go by what candidates say. And yes I did say in the past that Republicans are anti war, but our conversation was about Republicans today and how the party changed. The Neocon era of Republicans ended, and many Republicans today want to focus on domestic issues. Just look at Fox News and Tucker Carson aggressively attacking Trump on his attempted war with Iran, while CNN and other Democrats were acting like its a hard decision and we must trust the government. You didn’t read all the answers to all those questions. And you certainly haven’t researched all these candidates. So, you can’t go by what candidates say? You are correct, they are all politicians. Thats right, you keep changing your mind, depending on what will support you4 agenda at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Whispering said: You didn’t read all the answers to all those questions. And you certainly haven’t researched all these candidates. So, you can’t go by what candidates say? You are correct, they are all politicians. Thats right, you keep changing your mind, depending on what will support you4 agenda at the time. Yes they are all politicians which is why you go by weather a candidate is a corporate Democrat or not, or what kind of money they are willing to accept. People trusted Obama as a progressive Candidate, but they were not educated enough to look into what kind of money hes accepting. People today are more aware of that and a real progressive movement is now strong. Giving my a link to Candidates answering foreign policy questions is not a way to make a decision on a candidate. You are giving me invalid information to determine which candidate is anti war, and then accuse me of not doing my own research. I did read all the answers to the top candidates like Biden and Pete, and did not learn anything new I did not know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 76,610 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 12:45 AM, Whispering said: You has stated that voting for wars or voting for funding wars made one a war criminal. Guess you changed your mind. The goal post moves, depending on if you like the politician or not, huh? Bernie will change our entire foreign policy in the same way Trump has built the wall. Amount of new wall built thus far = one mile. Presidents are not kings. So there is no forgiveness for Bernie, as he voted for war, war budgets, the war industry in his state, and the crime bill intentionally. Will you stop? The user has clearly stated what he cares about is someone who won't affect his area (and my area) negatively. What is the point of this argument? We obviously know most if not all american politicians are war criminals. We want it to stop. Bernie's our best bet. I genuinely don't understand what is the point of you arguing. chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, littlepotter said: Will you stop? The user has clearly stated what he cares about is someone who won't affect his area (and my area) negatively. What is the point of this argument? We obviously know most if not all american politicians are war criminals. We want it to stop. Bernie's our best bet. I genuinely don't understand what is the point of you arguing. No. The user participates in these election threads daily, and not just over how the ME will be impacted. If you express your opinion in every thread, every day, you build up a history. We want the wars in the ME to stop, also. We want to leave and never go back. Of course you don’t, because you haven’t been in these discussions for months now. You don’t have history of multiple past discussions. You came in here to lecture in the middle of an ongoing debate over months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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