Warren 2020 Campaign in turmoil after Iowa?

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3 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

same. i think she should stick it through a little longer to see how she does in a few of the upcoming primaries. 

If a miracle happens and she somehow boosts to the front of the pack

My vote will very much be based on who is doing better on election day regardless.

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6 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Not after the way Bernie supporters roasted her. I remember the word snake and there is even a GGD member here the superimposed her image on The Reputation album cover. You guys shot yourselves in the foot. 

You guys kept calling us centrists. Lol

Polling data doesn’t bear that out for what it’s worth. 

She is a centrist for the most part in the broad context of the political spectrum. I do think her domestic policy is generally okay but I don’t like that she means tests everything. The best policies that FDR got passed were universal. And they still exist today for that reason. Warren’s foreign policy is really bad per her record record but her rhetoric is progressive with regard to war. So it’s not that *I* hate her; she doesn’t approach policy in a way I support. 

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9 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Her supporters can rally behind Buttigieg if she bows out. 

People who want free college, Medicare for All, debt cancellation voting for Buttigieg who doesn't even want 6 weeks of guaranteed paid leave?

No ma'am.

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

Warren was also my top Canadidate I stopped bothering to promote her a while ago because it became clear to me she wasn't gonna win the nomination

i hold out hope for her yet!! 

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Just now, HorusRa2 said:

Polling data doesn’t bear that out for what it’s worth. 

She is a centrist for the most part in the broad context of the political spectrum. I do think her domestic policy is generally okay but I don’t like that she means tests everything. The best policies that FDR got passed we’re universal. And they still exist today for that reason. Warren’s foreign policy is really bad per her record record but her rhetoric is progressive with regard to war. So it’s not that *I* hate her; she doesn’t approach policy in a way I support. 

Yeah, I know you think she's a centrist and that her supporters are centrists too. We've had many conversations about it. 

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Just now, Eighteen said:

i hold out hope for her yet!! 

I'd rather just endorse Bernie is Warren isn't gonna win

 

I don't agree with how far Bernie wants to go on certain things (I thought Warren was more realistically balanced)

 

But I figured whatever, the government will balance things out a bit anyway if he becomes President anyway because no one actually is ever able to 100% fully implement their agenda without some degree of compromise or some stuff going thru

 

At least I think the general direction Bernie could sway America in is still positive

 

If I thought he could go all the way in everything id be more worried here but since I don't think that will happen I'm not worried

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

I'd rather just endorse Bernie is Warren isn't gonna win

 

I don't agree with how far Bernie wants to go on certain things (I thought Warren was more realistically balanced)

 

But I figured whatever, the government will balance things out a bit anyway if he becomes President anyway because no one actually is ever able to 100% fully implement their agenda without some degree of compromise or some stuff going thru

 

At least I think the general direction Bernie could sway America in is still positive

 

If I thought he could go all the way in everything id be more worried here but since I don't think that will happen I'm not worried

Do you vote in the U.S? I thought you were Canadian?

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10 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I stanned her so much in the beginning, but I fell out of love with her in like December. That and the stunt with her trying to paint Bernie as a sexist made me view her in such negative light. I still think she's the best candidate after Sanders, but a far ways away from what I thought would be a maybe-Warren-maybe-Sanders vote for me. 

Honestly Tulsi is just as good as Bernie, and better on some fronts too like legalizing all drugs.
 

I can’t tell what place Warren is bc she’ll probably shift again. 

6 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Not after the way Bernie supporters roasted her. I remember the word snake and there is even a GGD member here the superimposed her image on The Reputation album cover. You guys shot yourselves in the foot. 

You guys kept calling us centrists. Lol

hi hi!!
 

my friend made it for me and it’s just the moment!

+ you’re a centrist bc of your policy beliefs and that’s that on that.

9 minutes ago, Albuquerque Duke said:

She still has 18% of the Democratic vote. Why would she abandon that ? That is a huge block that could easily sway the Primary election. She should fight on. We need female candidates and representation !

No thank you to this tbh. It’s a nice bonus but policy comes first. I’d take an old white man who puts working class first over a young queer WoC whose an elitist corporate mess who will continue to hurt American lives. We already know a woman can win - there’s nothing left to prove 

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1 minute ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Do you vote in the U.S? I thought you were Canadian?

I can't vote cuz yes I am Canadian

 

I end up just joining the debate and giving my opinions since US politics are everywhere and impossible to escape

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Just now, StarstruckIllusion said:

Honestly Tulsi is just as good as Bernie, and better on some fronts too like legalizing all drugs.

Well if we're talking about who's the most progressive candidate, Bernie is. And he always will be unless some candidates really start changing some of their policies.

Also though, Tulsi is never getting the nomination in a billion years. Even if she was more "progressive", I wouldn't vote for her. 

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Just now, StarstruckIllusion said:

Honestly Tulsi is just as good as Bernie, 

 

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3 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Yeah, I know you think she's a centrist and that her supporters are centrists too. We've had many conversations about it. 

I know but my larger point and the reason I replied to you is to just point out that centrist isn’t necessarily a dirty word. I’m sure in our previous discussions I’ve used the word with condemnation but I’m also somewhere between a democratic socialist and a lib-soc so centrism is far and away from where I am on the spectrum. Centrism is pragmatic but is ineffective in my view. It doesn’t make people who hold those views as something horrible or unredeemable. And it’s far from right wing. 

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This doesn’t surprise me. I wasn’t ready to jump ship from bernie after the heart attack but Warren and her incredibly non-progressive and generally white base  put me off. I still love her and think she’s incredibly smart but the whole Medicare For All flip flopping lead me to believe that she wouldn’t be someone I could trust to enact a truly progressive agenda. That and her failed attempt to discredit Bernie as a sexist was really bad. Again it’s really telling that significant number of her supporters are not progressive. The conversations I’ve had with some about the wealth tax for instance directly contradict what Warren’s own views are...

As for the marginalization of poc in her campaign, that doesn’t surprise me. 

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5 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

I know but my larger point and the reason I replied to you is to just point out that centrist isn’t necessarily a dirty word. I’m sure in our previous discussions I’ve used the word with condemnation but I’m also somewhere between a democratic socialist and a lib-soc so centrism is far and away from where I am on the spectrum. Centrism is pragmatic but is ineffective in my view. It doesn’t make people who hold those views as something horrible or unredeemable. And it’s far from right wing. 

Oh Lord. 

Now you're playing at being nice. 

Too late.

And you're the one who turned centrist into a dirty word on here. 

Even the people on here you riled up with the whole Warren "centrist"  nonsense are still parroting you. 

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20 minutes ago, PartySick said:

If I abandon Warren I'm going to Bernie

I'm a Little Lizzard, not enthusiastic about Sanders at all, but Liz is less viable every day

I have a Trans & LGBTQ+ Warren poster in my room, but I have an LGBTQ+ Bernie one right next to the others.

Kicking myself for not getting an LGBTQ+ Pete one when I had the chance.