Do you wish Gaga wasn’t so pop

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Gaga redefines pop. Her music plays around with the notion of what pop can, is and should be. 

[Mr S 8,672]

Pop can be great too. 1989 is basically pop perfection.

Her older stuff hasn't aged particularly well, but other than that I'm happy with her pop genre. Joanne is her least pop and it's bad.

[ChromeAngel 3,230]

49 minutes ago, Floppy said:

I fully believe Interscope forces her to water herself down. I mean we all know what they did to ARTPOP I imagine they have watered down all her music to some extent.

Exactly this! It’s obvious they’ve been doing this if you’ve been paying any attention for the last 12 years 

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Pop music will never be low brow.

- Lady Gaga , 2009

[Edonis 28,950]

2 minutes ago, NFRockwell said:

Well for starters I’m not sure why you’re talking about a format or structure. VCVCBC exists in virtually all genres. Clearly there’s some type of definition issue we have here.

Actually, no that's not the case, particularly in the genres she did experiment with on LG4 & LG5. Rock music, folk music, and electronic music don't necessarily follow the typical structure of a pop song when they have excessed instrumental breaks, guitar solos, intros, outros, triple verses, etc.  which is a format not readily used by most conventional pop artists or songs. And that's only focusing on structure. Her lyrics on both ARTPOP and Joanne, although distinct, are very straight forward and written in a way to be catchy and memorable, a de facto hallmark characteristic of pop music. Blood Pop was added to Joanne very late in the album process, where most songs were already written and recorded. Sure, they probably re-worked some songs and changed some lyrics, but the bulk of her work (according to her words) was completed by then. So no, there isn't an issue with my definition or any definition shared in this thread, regarding pop.

8 minutes ago, NFRockwell said:

also, I love pop music. I have no problem with a clean modern sound with tame vocals when it comes from artists and projects that have that to offer. I mean, I can enjoy The Cure, TF, etc. because these are songs and projects that were made to be pop. But especially with her past 2 solo albums, there’s an obvious difference between what she promotes and what she’s giving us sonically. And it’s clear Gaga didn't overstated herself when she teased she wanted ARTPOP to be “experimental” based off most of the demos and stems from the album, or when she said she wanted Joanne to be stripped back and to her roots (I mean, compare Angel Down’s worktape to the studio version). 
 

No offense, but you have to eventually accept that Gaga speaks very highly of herself and her work to the point of pretension. She will always go above and beyond when it comes to describing how an album or record was conceived sonically or lyrically because that's part of her schitck. She is an absolute extravaganza pop star. When she did club music, she dressed and spoke like a club kid circa 1987. When she did 80's electro-rock, she dressed like a leather dominatrix. When she dabbled in folk, she wore a pink freakin' cowboy hat. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's part of her brand.

12 minutes ago, NFRockwell said:

I also don’t know why some of you guys like to think she’s extremely free and in control with her music and brand when it’s very obvious she’s been restricted from releasing music that can’t be easily manipulated into commercial songs like Princess Die and SOFY. The only way we seem to get her away from being a typical pop artist with officially released music is when she’s featured on a collaborative project.

I don't know if you've read my posts over the years or seen stuff I've said regarding her career, but I've never insinuated that she has complete and total control over career just for the simple fact that she is signed to one of the biggest mainstream music labels in the world. She has to play that game because she is part of that game. She absolutely has restrictions and limitations on what she can and cannot do with her music because she is indeed a pop artist signed on a major label.

That being said she does actually have more control over her musical direction as opposed to other pop artists. She released an album like Joanne despite her career being heavily electronic prior. She was able to release a jazz standards album with Tony Bennett. She didn't have to recruit people like Max Martin or Dr. Luke for her career to have hits. She was able to freaking call Tchami and BOYS NOIZE and SOPHIE for a potential album that is a follow-up to a folk pop record. She has some freedom.

Anyways, I'm not going to divulge into specifics for sake of thread length and I have ravioli on the stove lol, but I am fairly content with the style and quality of music she is able to craft under the pop-lens of music. It's not nearly as constrictive as others suggest; if anything it allows for more experimentation than other genres without being deemed a 'bastardization' of a particular sound.

[Edonis 28,950]

If anything, her being a pop artist allows her to experiment more with different sounds and genres than if she dedicated her career to one particular sound or genre. The issue I think many people have is the way the industry works, which is a completely different scenario.

[NFRatwell 23,290]

2 minutes ago, PARTNR SWPPNG CLUB said:

Pop music will never be low brow.

- Lady Gaga , 2009

(I won’t speak about politics or be political because) I’m not a politician

-Lady Gaga, 2009

I would rather die than have my fans not see me in a pair of high heels

-Lady Gaga, 2010

(I’m not going to be in a movie/act), I’m not one of those artist that start with one thing and branches out 

-Lady Gaga, 2012

[Noctelus 2,892]

are you saying aura doesn't go hard? 

[NFRatwell 23,290]

9 minutes ago, Edonis said:

If anything, her being a pop artist allows her to experiment more with different sounds and genres than if she dedicated her career to one particular sound or genre. The issue I think many people have is the way the industry works, which is a completely different scenario.

Oh well, I’m not really in the mood to argue about this. You like what you want and I’ll keep wanting Gaga to be more experimental with her music. It’s not like I’ll unstan her, I mean I obviously enjoy her stuff enough to still be stanning her, maybe one of these days though we’ll get that solo album where she won’t be allowed to say it’s commercial enough to be pop. That will be amazing 

[Edonis 28,950]

2 minutes ago, NFRockwell said:

Oh well, I’m not really in the mood to argue about this. You like what you want and I’ll keep wanting Gaga to be more experimental with her music. It’s not like I’ll unstan her, I mean I obviously enjoy her stuff enough to still be stanning her, maybe one of these days though we’ll get that solo album where she won’t be allowed to say it’s commercial enough to be pop. That will be amazing 

Just to be clear, I'm not at all against her experimenting, and certainly not branching out to different genres

I want a metal album. I want a true disco LP that isn't the watered down form so many have come to know and resent. I would love to see her go that far and do bizarre, aggressive sounds she probably wouldn't be able to do normally.

I'm just saying I don't have an issue with her doing pop or continuing on a pop route because I still find enjoyment in that. And I'm sure, albeit all the behind-the-scenes drama, she does too.

[March34th 1,973]

i just want gaga to do an experimental rock album, a metal album, industrial rock, and a disco record. and then a legit country album (Joanne is not country and I am prepared to argue with anyone who believes otherwise)

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[Bella Goth 1,149]

im a kid that fall for jazz/pop jazz, and i dont really listen to pop music, gaga is the first artist that makes me listen pop music because she not just deliver music but also many things. when she do jazz with tony im flipped. thats why i love her and evrything she stand for. shes not just a pop girl, shes enigma, ARTPOP, could mean anything.

[NFRatwell 23,290]

16 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Just to be clear, I'm not at all against her experimenting, and certainly not branching out to different genres

I want a metal album. I want a true disco LP that isn't the watered down form so many have come to know and resent. I would love to see her go that far and do bizarre, aggressive sounds she probably wouldn't be able to do normally.

I'm just saying I don't have an issue with her doing pop or continuing on a pop route because I still find enjoyment in that. And I'm sure, albeit all the behind-the-scenes drama, she does too.

YES BITCH

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With ARTPOP, yes. She talked non stop about how electronic it was, hailing it like it was something straight from EDM legends of lore like Deadmau5 or Kaskade or something, when in reality it was just some standard pop melodies with some occasional electronic riffs thrown in. 

The most electronic songs on that album are Aura and Swine. Those are the only songs that I could ever imagine being played at an electronic music festival (and no, Coachella or Lollapalooza does not count as an electronic music festival).