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[LordEnigma 11,313]

8 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

See and that’s what my brain truly doesn’t understand. No disrespect to any who is non-binary I just truly don’t understand how someone can say they aren’t a male or female. To me, you are one or the other even if you were born in the wrong body you can still call yourself what you believe you are but to be neither just doesn’t make any sense. It’s kinda supporting toxic masculinity in a way. It comes off as like this: 

If “Bob” is feminine but still has masculine ways he’s not “man” enough to just say he’s a man. It’s like he has to be something else because all men must be masculine and that’s what I don’t support or understand. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

I mean this isn't a new concept. And I'm not sure why we can't label ourselves how we want.

Also referring back to your question about "cis-gendered." Cis is being your gender and sex align.

Also, isn't it sad how society has told our community in the past that "being gay doesn't make any sense - why can't they just be straight,"  and now this site is saying "being non-binary makes no sense - why can't they just be male or female." 

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

Just now, LordEnigma said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

I mean this isn't a new concept. And I'm not sure why we can't just be asked to be labeled how we want. Also referring back to your question about "cis-gendered." Cis is being your gender and sex align.

Also, isn't it funny how society has told us in the past that "being gay doesn't make any sense - why can't they just be straight,"  and now this site is saying "being non-binary makes no sense - why can't they just be male or female." 

Very good comparison. 

[Akiki 3,900]

4 minutes ago, ARTPOP2 said:

Exactly! We should be aware of the power dynamics within our diverse community since they tend to generate these processes of exclusion. Same goes for white gays, excluding queer people of color, disabled queer people's needs being ignored, etc. One should be able to acknowledge their privilege, and try to be empathetic cuz although our experiences are not the same, they are quite similar

My main problem is that in nature non-binary differ greatly from the LGBT.

While the first 4 aren't in any way optional and are easily factual, Non-Binary isn't that clear. 

I understand the solidarity part but let's be honest. The LGBT made much progress this last decades but we are still fresh meat and easy ducks. You dont open your house to the pig knowing the wolf is not that far away if you know what I mean. 

The whole gender dimension is way to big of a issue to mix it in the bag of the LGBT. It's not taking a couple of refugees, but taking them and their problems in your house when you dont have one yet. 

 

 

[KingRedd 3,139]

2 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

I don't think you understand the difference between sex and gender... Which is okay, many people don't. But it's important to knowledgeable on these things. 

Sex is based on someone's biological chromosomes and their sexual reproductive organs. Ergo, a baby born with a penis is a male, and a baby born with a vagina is a female. If someone decides, later in life, of course, that they want to change which reproductive organ that they have, they can have a sex-change surgery. 

Gender is something that society has invented to make things easy, one, and to oppress people, two. We associate the word 'woman' with someone having a vagina, and then we make all sorts of assumptions about that person based on this association. For instance, we will say that this person is more emotional, has less of a capacity to lead, and so on & so forth. These harmful associations are not based on science or the fact that this person has a vagina. These associations are based on small differences in males and females (that are not substantial and should not be an arbiter for anything serious) and oppression of one people on the basis of their reproductive organs and genetic makeup. 

Does this help?

I'm a slow and steady psych major( taking forever to finish lol) I do know the difference between the two, but to me it doesn't really add/help change society by being non-binary. To me, Men can act, do, and be anyway we want to because at the end of the day we are individual people, we all act and do things different from one another. I don't get how a man can say "I don't feel like a man, im non-binary" because that only supports the belief that men must be masculine. Men must be strong hearted and show no emotions. To me, Men can be whatever we want, act however we want and do whatever we want- as well as women. 

Non-Binary makes me think that individual is grading themsleves off of what society has taught us men and women must be. So much so that they desire to be neither and that's what I want to fight.

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

Just now, Akiki said:

My main problem is that in nature non-binary differ greatly from the LGBT.

While the first 4 aren't in any way optional and are easily factual, Non-Binary isn't that clear. 

I understand the solidarity part but let's be honest. The LGBT made much progress this last decades but we are still fresh meat and easy ducks. You dont open your house to the pig knowing the wolf is not that far away if you know what I mean. 

The whole gender dimension is way to big of a issue to mix it in the bag of the LGBT. It's not taking a couple of refugees, but taking them and their problems in your house when you dont have one yet. 

 

 

The LGBTQ+ community: the exclusive community of only gays and part of the trans community. 

Oh, dear lord, the ignorance. 

[ARTPOP2 3,948]

@KingRedd I was also confused about non-binary genders as well, the internet is super helpful to learn about all of that. I read blogs, watched videos, read books and attended workshops and also had a couple of queer friends who helped me out. @TheQueenLG is being very kind explaining it to you, but know that there are lots of resources out there if you do really wanna educate yourself!

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

 

Non-Binary makes me think that individual is grading themsleves off of what society has taught us men and women must be. So much so that they desire to be neither and that's what I want to fight.

So you think we should only make classifications based on sex?

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

5 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

I'm a slow and steady psych major( taking forever to finish lol) I do know the difference between the two, but to me it doesn't really add/help change society by being non-binary. To me, Men can act, do, and be anyway we want to because at the end of the day we are individual people, we all act and do things different from one another. I don't get how a man can say "I don't feel like a man, im non-binary" because that only supports the belief that men must be masculine. Men must be strong hearted and show no emotions. To me, Men can be whatever we want, act however we want and do whatever we want- as well as women. 

Non-Binary makes me think that individual is grading themsleves off of what society has taught us men and women must be. So much so that they desire to be neither and that's what I want to fight.

Okay. So now you get the difference between sex/gender. Now dive deeper into gender.

Do some research on gender expression and gender identity. I think that's what's confusing you at this point. 

The theory is most definitely sound, but it can be a lot at first. 

As long as you research with an open mind and an ability to learn, it will make sense eventually. 

[ltlmnstr 2,771]

43 minutes ago, Akiki said:

So what? Drag was used to diminish woman trough history and here we are... watchin drag race for fun. Things change. Religion changed and it's now optional. 

Um No b*tch!

Drag has been here since the Greeks!

Don’t you dare publish revisionist history on GGD!

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

Just now, LordEnigma said:

So you think we should only make classifications based on sex?

I'm a penis-haver... I'm a vagina-haver... could you imagine? 

[Akiki 3,900]

1 minute ago, TheQueenLG said:

The LGBTQ+ community: the exclusive community of only gays and part of the trans community. 

Oh, dear lord, the ignorance. 

Why would you mix gender identity with sexuality in the first place? 

Me liking boys has nothing to do with my gender and the same applies for the lesbians and Bisexuals. 

Trans also want to transition and change their sex accordingly. They align sex and gender .

 

Every year the LGBT gets new stuff to add and its nonsense. 

[ctherainbow 3,162]

9 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

It’s kinda supporting toxic masculinity in a way. It comes off as like this: 

If “Bob” is feminine but still has masculine ways he’s not “man” enough to just say he’s a man. It’s like he has to be something else because all men must be masculine and that’s what I don’t support or understand. 

I see where you’re coming from here.  I agree that both masculinity and femininity should be far less structured than they are now, and more inclusive of people.  Honestly, I hope that eventually society evolves to the point where gender isn’t structured anymore and everyone can just do their own thing without any gendered expectations.  However, especially in some areas of the world and some communities, gender roles are so strictly enforced and rigid that people don’t feel that they belong in either gender, so they choose to identify outside of the male/female gender binary. It’s just a personal gender identity choice that some people are more comfortable making, rather than identifying with a gender that society has set up with a set of guidelines.

Hopefully that helps a bit with clarity.      

[KingRedd 3,139]

7 minutes ago, LordEnigma said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

I mean this isn't a new concept. And I'm not sure why we can't label ourselves how we want.

Also referring back to your question about "cis-gendered." Cis is being your gender and sex align.

Also, isn't it sad how society has told our community in the past that "being gay doesn't make any sense - why can't they just be straight,"  and now this site is saying "being non-binary makes no sense - why can't they just be male or female." 

Because being gay doesn't and shouldn't require straight people to do **** but let love be love. Being non-binary requires me to call someone they or them and my brain can't function as to why someone doesn't feel like they can be a man or woman. 

[Akiki 3,900]

1 minute ago, ltlmnstr said:

Um No b*tch!

Drag has been here since the Greeks!

Don’t you dare publish revisionist history on GGD!

Your point is?... Drag was used to opress woman and  now it isn't. History changes. That was my point. It's not revisionist. 

It was, it isn't, it was, it isn't.

See? Men used to do drag cause woman weren't allowed to perform. That was practice in many cultures. 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, KingRedd said:

Because being gay doesn't and shouldn't require straight people to do **** but let love be love. Being non-binary requires me to call someone they or them and my brain can't function as to why someone doesn't feel like they can be a man or woman. 

Some people can't comprehend that two men can be married and in love because it goes against everything they've been told in their lifetime.

If someone feels better being referred to as they/them and makes them feel more comfortable and confident - why is that so hard to understand?