Biden, Sanders, Warren are the only candidates with double-digit support

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1 minute ago, Postboy said:

 Very out of touch. 

no, just a representative of the very large block of more centrist leaning democrats.

 

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Just now, giskardsb said:

keep in mind all you Bernie supporters... Trumps Trade Policies and Bernies were very similar, with Bernie saying he'd support Trump on his tariff plan as long what he did was good for American workers.  So in some sense you are getting a taste of Bernies economic plan in regard to Trade now.    I think the Jury is still out on whether Tarifs will help in the long term.

What an extremely false equivalence. It is obvious that Trump was touting that pro worker and pro union rhetoric for votes. Obviously what Trump is doing now has no logic or reason to it and is not the least bit reflective of what Bernie Sanders would do. It’s merely a biased projection. 

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2 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

no, just a representative of the very large block of more centrist leaning democrats.

 

That centrists only care about their politicians being young, charismatic and pro status quo? Centrism is what lost Democrats the house, the senate, AND the presidency. 

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1 minute ago, Postboy said:

What an extremely false equivalence. It is obvious that Trump was touting that pro worker and pro union rhetoric for votes. Obviously what Trump is doing now has no logic or reason to it and is not the least bit reflective of what Bernie Sanders would do. It’s merely a biased projection. 

Bernie would have done almost exactly the same tariffs.  It's a protectionist stance that is not necessarily tied to "left" or "right".  Strangely in the last election the Obama/Hillary democrats were more free market that the Trump republicans, go figure.  I'm not even saying it's the wrong stance for the US, but we are in the middle of a bit of a case study on protectionist trade policies now.   

 

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2 minutes ago, Postboy said:

That centrists only care about their politicians being young, charismatic and pro status quo? Centrism is what lost Democrats the house, the senate, AND the presidency. 

I never said that is all that Centrists care about, but the democrats are running the same exact mess that lost them the election against Trump last time, only older.    Warren is the best hope, but nobody is very exciting.

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Just now, giskardsb said:

Bernie would have done almost exactly the same tariffs.  It's a protectionist stance that is not necessarily tied to "left" or "right".  Strangely in the last election the Obama/Hillary democrats were more free market that the Trump republicans, go figure.  I'm not even saying it's the wrong stance for the US, but we are in the middle of a bit of a case study on protectionist trade policies now.   

 

WHERE is your proof? Tariffs ultimately hurt the American consumer. Only a lunatic would use such a device against China. Aka Trump. 

 

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Just now, giskardsb said:

I never said that is all that Centrists care about, but the democrats are running the same exact mess that lost them the election against Trump last time, only older.    Warren is the best hope, but nobody is very exciting.

The same exact mess? You mean Hillary was a mess? Hillary Clinton was the embodiment of centrism and status quo incrementalism. You’re actually making my case for me. Either that or incredibly uninformed about the nuances of American politics today. 

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Just now, Postboy said:

WHERE is your proof? Tariffs ultimately hurt the American consumer. Only a lunatic would use such a device against China. Aka Trump. 

 

LOL Bernie was ALL about Tariffs.  He has said he strongly supports penalties and tariffs against China even if he doesn't agree with some of trumps other tariffs.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

LOL Bernie was ALL about Tariffs.  He has said he strongly supports penalties and tariffs against China even if he doesn't agree with some of trumps other tariffs.

 

 

Our current trade policy with China does not sustain the magnitude of tariffs that Trump is using. I doubt that whatever Bernie quote that you’re referring to actually uses our current system as a basis for the use of tariffs. 

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8 hours ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Did you just make up some imaginary person that you supposedly know in order to baselessly accuse Bernie Sanders of abusing his staff (), while simultaneously making the case that we should be voting for a candidate for their "temperament" rather than their records, policy, ideology and electability? 

Yeah, I have you blocked on here for a reason. A total troll. 

I have about a dozen friends that work for the sanders campaign or in his Senate office. 

I’ve worked for Senators and presidential candidates my whole career. 

Bernie is know to have a poor temperament. He’s the same level of diva as Amy Klobuchar but gets away with it because he’s a man. 

I’ve heard and seen only great things regarding Warren’s temperament. 

We should just candidates by their accomplishments. Let’s not pretend Bernie has very many. 

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12 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

I’d go even further tbh, even some of them on the stage are ****ing losers. 

Eh Obama didn’t really pull ahead for awhile or stand out so I do think some on that stage still have fuel left but not a lot.

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8 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

I know tbh, he looks pathetic out there. Trump could tap him and he’d fall down. 

Unfortunately. Not to mention, Trump's got the Murican id behind him.

Biden touches a shoulder and he's an unelectable creep.

Trump has 20+ rape and molestation accusations against him, several of them extremely credible, but people make shirts like "Trump can grab my p*ssy any time!"

We need someone who can energize tf out of Dems especially and win over enough independents.

Warren and Sanders are really the only options.

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11 hours ago, PoshLife said:

I largely agree, but Gabbard is sort of an outlier when you compare how people are polling and who made the debate stage. Like, her polling average is higher than Klobuchar's and Castro's, and she's within half a point of O'Rourke. That's not saying much, of course, since none of those candidates are polling well - but because of which polls the DNC decided to count and not count she's left out for pretty much no good reason.

She's not in my top three choices, but she had a pretty good performance at the second debate, met the donor threshold, nearly met the polling threshold (and would have if other well-reputed polls had been counted)... it sort of seems like a kick in the crotch for her not to be on the September stage.

Thank you!! Tulsi Gabbard is my candidate and she was left out because of the arbitrary poll requirement set by the DNC. She polled higher than 2% in over 23 polls and soared past the donor threshold. It's very obvious that the DNC did not want her to destroy another candidate like she took down Kamala Harris so they bent over backwards to manipulate who made it and who didn't. (note: Tulsi was the Vice Chair of the DNC and quit to support Bernie Sander's in 2016, this was after the DNC hailed her as the democratic parties "rising star".) Something is fishy. 

I want Elizabeth Warren to get exposed because all her plans are Bernie Sander's policies, but watered down. I am very passionate about Medicare for All, but that's nowhere to be found on Warren's website except it is mentioned once very nonchalantly. Her cancel student debt plan doesn't actually cancel all student debt either. I'm so suspicious of her. 

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How long before Bernie and Liz need to join forces against Biden? I'm worried they are eating into each other's bases, which will cause Biden to win. 

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12 hours ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Did you just make up some imaginary person that you supposedly know in order to baselessly accuse Bernie Sanders of abusing his staff (), while simultaneously making the case that we should be voting for a candidate for their "temperament" rather than their records, policy, ideology and electability? 

Yeah, I have you blocked on here for a reason. A total troll. 

Wow they really went there with abuse claims.

Using people (that don’t even have an account on here) to prove “abuse” is a manipulation tactic. 

Other people are not your personal shield. Personal experiences are not sources. Especially when the stories are not your own.