TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, OG Gaga Stan said: ...Gaga is also bisexual and came out in support of the LGBT community over a decade ago, when a majority of the country opposed gay marriage and homophobia and transphobia were very much the norm, and alienated a massive portion of the country with BTW. That's the point he's trying to make. Taylor showed up late to the party, during pride month, with a song she wanted to sell, which has been written about extensively in the press. This isn't some sort of GGD conspiracy: she was widely (and rightfully) criticized for YDTCD, which equates her own problems (as a massively wealthy, straight white woman being rightfully criticized for keeping silent during a rise in white supremacist thinking, especially given that she was idolized by Nazis that she refused to condemn) to the institutional oppression of queer people. We get it: you're a fan. But queer people have the right to criticize purported allies when they do a mediocre job, especially when they do so in the form of a product meant to be consumed by queer people. I have no problem with Taylor. I don't think she's mediocre. I like a lot of her music and I buy her explanation about why she stayed silent (media executives telling her not to be like the Dixie Chicks and ruin her career by getting political). But don't ever try to compare Gaga's decades worth of activism to this corny song, or Gaga's identity as a queer woman to Swift's. It's more than a little insulting. You've made some points, my dear. In terms of YNTCD, I'm interested if you believe it was Swift's intention to equate her experience, as a white straight cis woman, to the queer experience? After reviewing the lyrics to the song, I'm having trouble deciphering if this equation is inadvertent or intentional... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizem 56 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bobbins said: You poor unfortunate soul. You really think having a big selling album is enough to warrant impact? Lady Gaga’s THE FAME era was legendary and by far bigger than ANY Taylor Swift era in the US and definitely worldwide. Being bigger and having impact isn't same thing. According to you, Beyonce is bigger than Adele ww right now. Taylor had highest grossing North American tour "of all time" but if you say Gaga's 1 era is bigger than any era by Taylor in USA... Let's act like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaplayer315 14,339 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Queen I even haven't heard it in full but Cruel Summer and Lover deserve it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody 64,632 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 huge numbers,she never disappoints.. some pressed people should stop making up excuses, her power is undeniable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagarox 1,495 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Bobbins said: Taylor is not bigger than Gaga outside of the US and 2009-2011 Gaga was way bigger in the US. Taylor has remained a commercial force because she plays it safe/is not offensive so she retains a wide demographic like Adele. A mother would be much happier with their child listening to Taylor Swift than the ‘outlandish’ and ‘sexual’ Lady Gaga. Taylor is literally the perfect example of white mediocrity winning. She didn’t stand for anything for the majority of her career and now all of sudden she’s being open with her politics, when it’s safer to support the gays. Just mediocrity all around. A star is born is the literal definition of mediocrity created just to become relevant again and to be fed to the white conservative trump base but yes drag taylor i guess... The truth is Taylor tried risky with reputation and she still had a successful era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 14,732 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Stef said: Comparing a small drop to an almighty tumble 7 hours ago, TheCureinMalibu said: i mean Gaga has bigger decline 250K and #1 is not a flop though. he/him/his Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitleysingur 13,790 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, oyeavi said: A star is born is the literal definition of mediocrity created just to become relevant again and to be fed to the white conservative trump base but yes drag taylor i guess... The truth is Taylor tried risky with reputation and she still had a successful era. I always find it problematic for people to say something like this. "Country / AC is for rednecks!" "Only sissy homos listen to dance music!" "Hip-hop only appeals to black guys!" In the defense of ASIB, its chart performance in America is arguably weaker than most of countries around the world. If ASIB was just created to be fed to the white conservative trump base, suddenly Trump is much more beloved in Europe, Oceania and Antarctica What's not clicking? Dreams of you and me are in the dirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieJudasGaga4 67,907 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, oyeavi said: A star is born is the literal definition of mediocrity created just to become relevant again and to be fed to the white conservative trump base but yes drag taylor i guess... The truth is Taylor tried risky with reputation and she still had a successful era. Imagine saying this while claiming to be a Gaga fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodandsmile 11,355 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, malazam said: If Taylor goes from 1.2m to 900k she's still the biggest but if Gaga goes from 1.1m to 250k she a flop I hate double standards. Why are some people taking this post seriously ? lmfao OT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 33,923 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, oyeavi said: A star is born is the literal definition of mediocrity created just to become relevant again and to be fed to the white conservative trump base but yes drag taylor i guess... The truth is Taylor tried risky with reputation and she still had a successful era. Lmao I think you mistook this for a Gaga hate site instead of a gaga fan site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagarox 1,495 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, ALGAYDO said: Lmao I think you mistook this for a Gaga hate site instead of a gaga fan site im not hating her wth.. been a fan for last 10 years now some randoms on this site will decide whether im a fan or not? i was just trying to get my point across that delusional person who is dragging taylor for still being able to do big numbers... if making vanilla white girl music was the key to her 4 1m+ debut albums and her fifth album hitting 850k+ then why isnt every other vanilla producing pop girl doing these numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRedd 3,139 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Well this thread derailed as expected ha. Congrats to Taylor, she’s like America’s good girl and that is her brand and it works for her. Congrats I like seeing artist sell and beat the “music industry Is over” narrative. Why are people attacking Gaga? I don’t even wanna start but when it comes to impact and moments that help shape the industry we all know Gaga is over Taylor. Sales doesn’t equal impact. It’s like saying Adele had more impact on artist coming up than Gaga, Brit, and Bey. Lets celebrate Tay but umm the Gaga bashing. I don’t feel it. Not a good look. May I Read You? 😎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,779 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Y'all need to calm down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish 6,248 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Bobbins said: She’s not an excellent singer/performer/dancer. The only thing she has going for her is her songwriting and even then she’s written some terrible lyrics. She’s a pretty, blonde white popstar, who sings Max Martin hits, who isn’t offensive which is why she’s kept herself afloat. White people have historically been rewarded for their mediocrity over POC who have to work much harder. This is relevant in music as well. youre officially delulu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Gaga 1,466 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, OG Gaga Stan said: ...Gaga is also bisexual and came out in support of the LGBT community over a decade ago, when a majority of the country opposed gay marriage and homophobia and transphobia were very much the norm, and alienated a massive portion of the country with BTW. That's the point he's trying to make. Taylor showed up late to the party, during pride month, with a song she wanted to sell, which has been written about extensively in the press. This isn't some sort of GGD conspiracy: she was widely (and rightfully) criticized for YDTCD, which equates her own problems (as a massively wealthy, straight white woman being rightfully criticized for keeping silent during a rise in white supremacist thinking, especially given that she was idolized by Nazis that she refused to condemn) to the institutional oppression of queer people. We get it: you're a fan. But queer people have the right to criticize purported allies when they do a mediocre job, especially when they do so in the form of a product meant to be consumed by queer people. I have no problem with Taylor. I don't think she's mediocre. I like a lot of her music and I buy her explanation about why she stayed silent (media executives telling her not to be like the Dixie Chicks and ruin her career by getting political). But don't ever try to compare Gaga's decades worth of activism to this corny song, or Gaga's identity as a queer woman to Swift's. It's more than a little insulting. Lmao.Wtf was that essay for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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