Spirit OUT of the Hot 100

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Because she's not Lady Gaga. 

Her music has been  awful for the past few albums. Most of her songs sounded like mumbling mess, or forgettable  ones.

Her music quality has been declining for years.

[Didymus 34,380]

Just now, RudzXinc said:

Because she's not Lady Gaga. 

Her music has been  awful for the past few albums. Most of her songs sounded like mumbling mess, or forgettable  ones.

Her music quality has been declining for years.

Or maybe it's getting too complex and not pop enough for you How is it possible that music critics who were generally "meh" about her pre-2013 work are suddenly now delirious over her musical leaps into excellence?

That can't be a coincidence, right?

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

But, see, that's just working with two logics It doesn't matter what the product is: the majority of GGD members are claiming that everything related to The Lion King must automatically slay and then they come up with these weird excuses about the movie's soundtrack bombing

Clearly it doesn't work that way. People wanna see the movie and then tap out. It's logical. It explains why the soundtrack is bombing as well as why Beyoncé is bombing. People just aren't here for it. They care about The Lion King but not that much that they want to hear an entire album influenced by the movie, not even by Beyoncé. I don't see how that's an excuse. It's the only reasonable explanation when you look at the record-breaking smash success of the movie itself.

I don't think anyone's denying it's a commercial failure. But a lot of people are taking this album out of context. This isn't Beyoncé's solo album. It's way too soon to start calling her a flop or whatever. Her last album was the best-selling album in the world This is a side project. And it should be judged as a side project, just like no one expected TIHTY to slay the charts like Shallow did.

Well, the official soundtrack is bombing too but that doesn't get attention because it isn't important for stans. It was meant to be successful but failed the same as the Gift, nobody claimed that it's a success and neither that it justifiably flopped - it's just untalked about.

The Gift had so many things working on its side and didn't do good: a gigantic movie, Beyonce's name that attracts both GP and fans, headlines, critical appeal, fans praising it etc. Let's not act like the fact that she photorealistic is the thing that prevented it from smashing. Let's say the fact that people aren't interested in music is a factor, but the other factors alone could've on their own led to a 100k debut at least and a #1, but it didn't. And for me, when people try to find excuses against all that it comes across as biased. 
Also, there is a a very big  difference between TIHTY and Shallow: Gaga didn't act in the movie and wasn't part of a soundtrack and the movie was a much smaller success than The Lion King.

What I can say is that this shows that there is less demand for Beyonce's work, I'm not certain myself and I'm not trying to predict anything but I think her new solo album will underperform as well.

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1 minute ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Also, there is a a very big  difference between TIHTY and Shallow: Gaga didn't act in the movie and wasn't part of a soundtrack and the movie was a much smaller success than The Lion King.

I'm just saying TIHTY is a side project and so is The Gift. The public knows that and doesn't tune in as urgently as when they know it's Beyoncé's new album

Like, imagine a situation where Gaga portrays Rocket's girlfriend in the next Guardians of the Galaxy and records an inspired by the movie soundtrack. Is anyone here honestly thinking that's gonna slay or something? People don't care. It's Guardians of the Galaxy they care about. But even with that example there's a difference: The Lion King is a kid's movie I already knew this The Gift thing was gonna flop to hell and back from the beginning because its artsy pretentious presentation simply doesn't match the mindless consumption model that The Lion King thrives on. It's not even a cool movie. No one's gonna buy The Lion King merchandise. That's whack. And so is buying an entire album inspired by a Disney film.

Bey was just being dumb af trying to link new music to this movie. She should've foreseen this. But that does not mean that this lack of success means she's over and her name doesn't command respect anymore This is literally a Rihanna Home slash Sledgehammer situation. No big deal. No one cares but stans of other fanbases hoping to see Beyoncé tumble. But she's not.

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4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

As a fan you should know that's not true though... Bey wasn't even nominated for one big award for Dreamgirls, her Sasha album was a critical disaster and she only got serious acclaim for her albums since 2013... So that's flat out wrong.

You're obviously free to dislike the album. But know that your opinion is in the minority

I can't even what did you just say  She was nominated for two globes with Dreamgirls first of all, second of all what did you expect she would be when clearly the star of the movie since the beginning was Jennifer Hudson, she overshadowed Bey in every way possible, not to mention Beyonce won a Grammy for At Last she recorded for Dreamgirls and got another Grammy nom for the album. So I guess truly no big award  Sasha maybe did garner mixed reviews, yet it earned her 5 Grammys which plus the win for At Last in one night gave Bey a record for winning most awards for a female in one night. Just because she's been getting acclaim only later on in her career doesn't mean they don't eat her ass out now only supports it

14 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But know that your opinion is in the minority

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

I'm just saying TIHTY is a side project and so is The Gift. The public knows that and doesn't tune in as urgently as when they know it's Beyoncé's new album

Like, imagine a situation where Gaga portrays Rocket's girlfriend in the next Guardians of the Galaxy and records an inspired by the movie soundtrack. Is anyone here honestly thinking that's gonna slay or something? People don't care. It's Guardians of the Galaxy they care about. But even with that example there's a difference: The Lion King is a kid's movie I already knew this The Gift thing was gonna flop to hell and back from the beginning because its artsy pretentious presentation simply doesn't match the mindless consumption model that The Lion King thrives on. It's not even a cool movie. No one's gonna buy The Lion King merchandise. That's whack. And so is buying an entire album inspired by a Disney film.

Bey was just being dumb af trying to link new music to this movie. She should've foreseen this. But that does not mean that this lack of success means she's over and her name doesn't command respect anymore This is literally a Rihanna Home slash Sledgehammer situation. No big deal. No one cares but stans of other fanbases hoping to see Beyoncé tumble. But she's not.

Well, the parallel between TIHTY and The Gift doesn't work because the first one is a single and the second one is an album full of original Beyonce music. And The Gift profits from a much bigger promo tool because the movie is far more successful and Gaga's name wasn't associated with that movie in any form. Like, I even had to think for a second to remember it's called The Hunting Ground and I am a Gaga fan. 

Let's say Gaga does in reality what you imaged in that scenario and the album flops. Sadly we'll have to deal with it and accept defeated and focus on something else. As I said, trying to find all sorts of excuses to make  a certain project better is pretty useless. We all know what's the bigger picture and Bey fans know the album is a commercial failure, I don't think there is a need to point things that worked against it especially when there were also many that worked for it too.

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Imagine comparing a song from a random documentary to an album attached to a multi billion grossing(it will) legendary movie 

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1 minute ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Let's say Gaga does in reality what you imaged in that scenario and the album flops. Sadly we'll have to deal with it and accept defeated and focus on something else. As I said, trying to find all sorts of excuses to make  a certain project better is pretty useless. We all know what's the bigger picture and Bey fans know the album is a commercial failure, I don't think there is a need to point things that worked against it especially when there were also many that worked for it too. 

Again: they're not excuses You can admit something is a commercial failure while also trying to explain why it happened... That's what many LMs here don't seem to grasp

Like I said: I knew this album would bomb the day she announced it. Because I knew the factors that would lead to it bombing and I was right. Meanwhile LMs are self-admittedly shocked by this result, which means they don't know what the bigger picture is. And that's why I'm posting about it.

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6 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

Imagine comparing a song from a random documentary to an album attached to a multi billion grossing(it will) legendary movie 

Good god, I didn't though, don't take one sentence out of context I'm not saying they're comparable, just that they're both side projects and that anyone who thought they would slay the charts were delusional from the start. That's the only basis of the comparison.

So either read my posts correctly and discuss them or don't mention them at all

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9 minutes ago, Mirages said:

She was nominated for two globes with Dreamgirls first of all

Oh yeah and she was also nominated for a Black Reel Award Those awards mean sh-t. They're not chosen by critics so they are not representative of Beyoncé getting "acclaim". She didn't get acclaim for her role because she was just fine. So no, she doesn't just get acclaim for nothing. If you have to use the most useless awards in the whole business to prove critics overrate her then I don't know what to say

10 minutes ago, Mirages said:

Sasha maybe did garner mixed reviews, yet it earned her 5 Grammys

Again: Grammy's? You were talking about critics, acclaim. It was the worst received pop album of the whole year. Don't switch the subject now because you found out you were wrong.

That's like saying Teenage Dream was universally critically acclaimed because it was scandalously nominated for AOTY at the Grammy's Sorry but no.

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Again: they're not excuses You can admit something is a commercial failure while also trying to explain why it happened... That's what many LMs here don't seem to grasp

Like I said: I knew this album would bomb the day she announced it. Because I knew the factors that would lead to it bombing and I was right. Meanwhile LMs are self-admittedly shocked by this result, which means they don't know what the bigger picture is. And that's why I'm posting about it.

They are at least in many occasions excuses and as I said, some come across as being from someone who doesn't want to accept defeated and is biased because love Bey (or the album).

 Again, what I expect even though I'm not certain is that her new solo album will underperform as well. Nobody stay on top forever and in every artist's career there is cycle of love and hate, success and underperformance. There is a possibility that this shows people aren't here for her anymore and we'll only be able to find out when  her new album is released.

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1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Oh yeah and she was also nominated for a Black Reel Award Those awards mean sh-t. They're not chosen by critics so they are not representative of Beyoncé getting "acclaim". She didn't get acclaim for her role because she was just fine. So no, she doesn't just get acclaim for nothing. If you have to use the most useless awards in the whole business to prove critics overrate her then I don't know what to say

Again: Grammy's? You were talking about critics, acclaim. It was the worst received pop album of the whole year. Don't switch the subject now because you found out you were wrong.

That's like saying Teenage Dream was universally critically acclaimed because it was scandalously nominated for AOTY at the Grammy's Sorry but no.

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1 minute ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Again, what I expect even though I'm not certain is that her new solo album will underperform as well. Nobody stay on top forever and in every artist's career there is cycle of love and hate, success and underperformance. There is a possibility that this shows people aren't here for her anymore and we'll only be able to find out when  her new album is released.

Exactly. I 100% agree.